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Completely agree, it's not even about Lyle in particular, adding anyone that point, especially in an already crowded backcourt, could really mess with chemistry.

Definitely huge news! I'd assume he's coming from Huntington, which is in West Virginia. 

It's 13. But Crean could sign 13 players this fall if he wanted too, as long as he could demonstrate a plan to the Big Ten as to why he'll need that many.

I guess it is his first time trying to land a 5* at IU, right? It's gotta be a pretty big deal for him.

The problem with the NCAA is that unless you self-report, there's really nothing they can do. Indiana's problem is that they had the integrity to self-report. It ended being good for IU though, because it uncovered the real crime of the Sampson era. It wasn't phone calls, what screwed IU was horrendous grades, failed drug tests and overall lack of character in the program.    The phone calls would have been easily overcome if the team had kids with good grades and high character. The next coach would have come in and hit the ground running. 

I'll trust the staff on adding him to the '15 class. Obviously the talent is off the charts. One thing I think would be a disaster and I'd honestly have to severely question Crean's judgement on, would be somehow adding him to the team in the second semester. If they want to add him as a walk-on in the second semester and have him practice sort of like a redshirt, that's fine. But the idea of considering adding him to the roster to play is insane to me.

He can by 13.

Remember when Terrance Jones held a press conference and committed to Washington, and then Cal literally called him while Jones was still at the press conference and flipped him to UK?

Yeah, I wasn't posting to support Matta as a coach, just saying that his teams typically have a lot of tall/long wings. A lot of guys that look like Troy Williams, for instance. The Evan Turner teams for example, I think they started Turner, Diebler, Lightey and Buford, all about 6'6"-6'8" wings. 

Thad Matta has as well at OSU.  

Agree with your overall point, but those role player, upperclassmen guys need to be more talented than Howard and what many of us are suggesting Priller will be if they're going to contribute to a contending team.

Haha, whoops :). Thanks for the correction.

While I have a great deal of respect for Tim Howard and anybody that's a walk-on, Howard being a contributor was part of the problem last year not the solution. The fact that he at times deserved to play ahead of guys like Hollowell, Perea and Davis, was the problem.

We don't know if Priller can put the ball in the bucket at this level. In high school he was a 6'9" guy getting his shot off against much smaller players and much less athletic than he'll see in the Big Ten. Getting your shot off against guys that are the same size and far superior athletically is an entire different thing.

The problem with comparing people to VO is that athleticism was really only a fraction of why he was so successful. IMO, more important than his athleticism, which is off the charts, is his mentality, work ethic and character. That's what made him, there's ton of athletic guys, but the other things are what make a guy great.

I don't think Crean has stated that, more a fan impression from seeing his video. Although we can probably assume Crean is making that comparison, given the athletic similarities. Coaches aren't allowed to comment on recruits until they've signed an LOI.

Obviously every program will make room for a 5* and prioritize that guy, but Syracuse does already have four commits in the class, including a 4* C and a 4* PF. Hopefully Crean can pitch the "be the man" inn the paint angle.

Watford and Hulls weren't highly recruited? I think you're misremembering. Watford was a higher rated recruit than both Morgan and Shake. Hulls was a 4* by some services and that class also had Creek. I think even Elston was a 4* on some services.    2011 is the questionable one. Zeller was the only real good recruit in that class, but he was a program changer. I'd agree with you on that one in terms of 2015 (if it panned out this way) being better on paper.    2012 is a better class IMO in terms of how they were thought of in-coming. I'm not sure it's fair to judge 2015 strictly on rankings and put it higher than 2012 because they didn't pan out. 2015 might not pan out either.    Assuming we landed Bryant, Morgan and Shake for 2015, I'd personally rank them (using their rankings, not their production once on campus): 2013 2012 2009 2014 (You could flip-flop '14 and '15 very easily assuming the class we're assuming for '15) 2015 2011 (This is really a tough one, Zeller is by far the most important recruit to date in this era, but as a class Ethrington and Abel really bring it down) 2010 (On paper the worst class, but in terms of production it's arguable #1)   It's just difficult to compare. Some classes people want to point to rankings, and others they want to point to actual production. I think if we're going to compare classes in a list, we can't bounce around between criteria, and since 2015 hasn't happened yet, I'm going with rankings instead of production.  

Yes, because IMO when comparing classes we have to decide if we're judging thoughts on the class incoming, or their actual production once they arrived. Obviously, we can't judge 2015 on actual production since they won't take the court for another year.   To your point, you can make an argument that 2012 was Crean's best class on paper, but his worst (not counting 2008) in terms of production. 

It's semantics, but I wouldn't call it "great". Really good? Absolutely. But, tt wouldn't be a great class for the Duke's, Kansas', UK's, UCLA's, Arizona's, etc. of the world. I don't know if that would be in Crean's top 4-5 classes while at IU.    Like I said, it's probably semantics though. It would certainly be a good class. 

That would be a good class under normal circumstances, but given the last 4-6 months in terms of recruiting, that would be a great 2015 class. 

I was more referring to a 3rd spot. I doubt we lose three guys and it's not at least one of those guys.

I hope we don't have room. Not that I don't like these guys as players, but I'd rather have a senior Yogi, junior Stan and Troy and sophomore JBJ and RoJo than having three recruits in 2015.

I think you guys are taking the crystal ball thing way too seriously, but to each his own.   The most positive news I've heard on this was also posted on 24/7. A posted said they helped Juwon's parent at TIS purchase a bunch of IU gear over the weekend. I can see buying a t-shirt or something on every visit you go on, but the poster was saying t-shirts, a polo and other stuff.  

I have no idea what Vandy has. But, Juwan Morgan is not a sure thing to be impactful as a freshmen. This isn't a 5* recruit. If this was Zimmerman or Maker I'd agree that PT isn't a factor, those guys start from day 1. But Morgan, if he comes to IU, will be battling Troy Williams, Devin Davis, Emmitt Holt, and to a lesser extent Hoetzel for minutes at the 4. What if Vandy has a open spot at the 4 in their lineup? The allure to start as a freshmen could be a big factor for him. I don't know, I don't know what his priorities are. But he isn't the type of recruit that can come in and expect time ahead of most of the aforementioned guys. Again, I'm by no means saying it's the only factor, but to dismiss it is not being realistic. Playing time matters to any player.