BGleas

Full disclosure, I haven't read the Bill of Rights, but my understanding is that the school will honor the scholarship. That doesn't mean it will be a basketball scholarship. In addition, I really don't think the Bill Rights is worth much more than the paper it's written on. If a coach doesn't want a player, or has made it crystal clear that the player will almost never see the court, a guy isn't going to stay. At least it will be really rare for that to happen.

Pretty sure if Crean wanted to sign a class of 13 in the 2015 class he could. He would just have to show (not sure if it's to the NCAA or Big Ten) a plan/roadmap for how he anticipates having the openings.

That was my thought too. Seniors would miss a day here and there to visit schools, athlete or not, when I was in school too.

You can't miss a day of school? I missed a day of school for an unnofficial visit when I was in high school.

Does anyone know if he's extending his OV another day due to the delay, or essentially cutting it short a day because of the delay?

I looked at MSU too, they only have four of what you would deem "tough games", and it could even be three if they don't play well in the Orlando Classic. They have 9 "cupcakes", one more than IU.    While again Emerson14, I agree I'd like to see the schedule that Long Beach is playing in terms of entertainment value, it's not what the other top teams are doing. The vast majority of top teams are playing 3-5 "tough games" and 7-9 "cupcakes". 

Duke has Presbyterian, Wofford, Fairfield, Furman, Army, Elon and Toledo on their schedule.    The tougher games are: MSU, UNLV/Stanford winner, Wisconsin, Connecticut and Temple   IU has Mississippi Valley St., Texas Southern, Lamar, Eastern Washington, UNC Greensboro, Savanah St, New Orleans. and Grand Canyon   IU's tougher games: SMU, Pitt, Louisville, Butler and Georgetown   We have the same amount of "tough" games and 1 additional "cupcake". 

Would I like to see a schedule like that? Sure, it would be fun and make the games more entertaining. But, I don't want IU doing that when virtually no other major conference team is doing it. 

Who knows, not sure what school Zimmerman's mom was referring to (I think it's Arizona), but IU could be getting an official from Zimmerman if that coach was involved in USAB.

It's not just Duke though, it's all the schools who's coaches are involved at the different levels of USAB. Not sure of all of them, but I know Boeheim and Sean Miller are both highly involved.

Didn't Zimmerman's mom directly prove that it's an advantage?

I don't see how anyone could possibly argue it's not an advantage. Recruiting is all about relationships, so how would a coach getting to spend time working directly with a kid not be an advantage? It's clearly an advantage.

The most interesting part is Stephen Zimmerman's mom participating in the debate. She came right out and said they were about to cut a school and then Zimmerman spent two weeks with the coach in a USAB Camp and it totally repaired the relationship and the school is back in play now. Assuming he's talking about Arizona?

Didn't want to start an entire new thread, and sorry to take this off topic a bit, but for some reason the other night I decided to look at Arizona's recent recruiting and it's off the charts. According to Rivals, between 2011-2015's recruiting classes, they've had ONE 3* recruit. Every other recruit has been a 5* or a 4*.   During that time, they've had 11 5* recruits and have had multiple 5* recruits in 4 of the 5 recruiting classes. They've had 3 5* recruits in 2 of the 5 classes.    That's crazy. 

I don't think Crean has stated that, more a fan impression from seeing his video. Although we can probably assume Crean is making that comparison, given the athletic similarities. Coaches aren't allowed to comment on recruits until they've signed an LOI.

Obviously every program will make room for a 5* and prioritize that guy, but Syracuse does already have four commits in the class, including a 4* C and a 4* PF. Hopefully Crean can pitch the "be the man" inn the paint angle.

Who knows, there could be numerous reasons to keep an eye on Kasongo. Maybe the staff told him to get his grades up, lose the handler and then we'd keep an eye on him for 2015. It makes sense to keep an eye on him.

Watford and Hulls weren't highly recruited? I think you're misremembering. Watford was a higher rated recruit than both Morgan and Shake. Hulls was a 4* by some services and that class also had Creek. I think even Elston was a 4* on some services.    2011 is the questionable one. Zeller was the only real good recruit in that class, but he was a program changer. I'd agree with you on that one in terms of 2015 (if it panned out this way) being better on paper.    2012 is a better class IMO in terms of how they were thought of in-coming. I'm not sure it's fair to judge 2015 strictly on rankings and put it higher than 2012 because they didn't pan out. 2015 might not pan out either.    Assuming we landed Bryant, Morgan and Shake for 2015, I'd personally rank them (using their rankings, not their production once on campus): 2013 2012 2009 2014 (You could flip-flop '14 and '15 very easily assuming the class we're assuming for '15) 2015 2011 (This is really a tough one, Zeller is by far the most important recruit to date in this era, but as a class Ethrington and Abel really bring it down) 2010 (On paper the worst class, but in terms of production it's arguable #1)   It's just difficult to compare. Some classes people want to point to rankings, and others they want to point to actual production. I think if we're going to compare classes in a list, we can't bounce around between criteria, and since 2015 hasn't happened yet, I'm going with rankings instead of production.  

Yes, because IMO when comparing classes we have to decide if we're judging thoughts on the class incoming, or their actual production once they arrived. Obviously, we can't judge 2015 on actual production since they won't take the court for another year.   To your point, you can make an argument that 2012 was Crean's best class on paper, but his worst (not counting 2008) in terms of production. 

It's semantics, but I wouldn't call it "great". Really good? Absolutely. But, tt wouldn't be a great class for the Duke's, Kansas', UK's, UCLA's, Arizona's, etc. of the world. I don't know if that would be in Crean's top 4-5 classes while at IU.    Like I said, it's probably semantics though. It would certainly be a good class. 

That would be a good class under normal circumstances, but given the last 4-6 months in terms of recruiting, that would be a great 2015 class. 

Not saying two games is long enough, but I'm also pretty sure that wasn't his only punishment. I'm sure Crean had him doing stuff behind the scenes we'll never know about.

I was more referring to a 3rd spot. I doubt we lose three guys and it's not at least one of those guys.

I hope we don't have room. Not that I don't like these guys as players, but I'd rather have a senior Yogi, junior Stan and Troy and sophomore JBJ and RoJo than having three recruits in 2015.

Agree. I live in Maryland and have been to a few games. It can be hit or miss, depending on how good UMD is and who they're playing, but when they're competitive that place can be one of the toughest places to play. I was at the 2010 game (Vasquez's last game) when Maryland beat Duke and it was absolutely insane. That place was rocking from start to finish and their fans can be nasty too. As your video showed, they're loud and they're organized.