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Impressed they found this guy

Closing my eyes, imagining the stunned silence at Kinnick when Stephen Carr runs 25 yards to put the Hoosiers up 20-6 in the middle of the third quarter

I would love to see some hard data, but anecdotally I think they work pretty well with one notable exception. Average-sized or smaller PGs don’t have a good track record when reclassifying to get to college sooner. Derryck Thornton is probably the poster boy here, Ashton Hagans a guy who eventually panned out. But players at other positions seem to pan out more often than not. (For what it’s worth a decent number of reclass guys are moving from a class where they’d be old to one where they’re more normally aged compared to peers.)

This reminds me that Ken Pomeroy had an intern who did, like, a college senior stats thesis building a college basketball recruiting projection system. Pretty sure geography was the strongest factor, then program prestige, winning, and probably beneath all that, positional need. I think it used to be linked from Ken’s site but I don’t think it is any longer.

There are more early entries than draft spots, guys play overseas or get contracts as undrafted rookies, and given they have to take summer classes to participate in summer workouts, most guys can finish undergrad in 3 years if they try…I wouldn’t bet on a fourth year, think @Chris007 said earlier this week it’s a non-starter

Also in re: how he does or doesn’t replace TJD, right now it looks like next year’s team will depend less on inside players as primary scorers. So if, as Demo says, he can man the dunker spot, screen and react, and defend? Then he’s doing enough.

Wow, yeah, ESPN was much higher than the other services, all of which had him in the 40s-70s

Yes, that’s a close pair, and certainly up there for same-class backcourts. Strickland was RSCI t-62, as high as 43 by Scout, I think — comfortably four-star territory: https://www.basketball-reference.com/awards/recruit_rankings_2002.html For what it’s worth I think the only other year I can find with two or more four-star and above guards at IU in the same class in my database is JBJ and Rob Johnson. (Of course you can go farther back, as mentioned previously, to ‘89, ‘87, or other pre-rankings years.)

As far as I can tell, IU has only had one pair of rankings-era (~2003-present) five-star guards share a backcourt: Yogi and JBJ. If you go a little farther back, Recker and Fife overlapped for a year…that’s pre-rankings most places, but Fife was RSCI 12th and they were both McD AAs. 12 is five-star territory by any system, and McD AAs are a good pre-rankings proxy. Not sure you’d call Recker a guard. Before that there’s Pat and Greg Graham in ‘89 and Damon Bailey in ‘90, again all McD AAs, with two IN Mr. Basketballs.

Agreed and I need someone in the know to tell me it’s going to be IU even though a random video editor on Rivals picked UT

It’s a possibility for any player ranked where he is (~borderline 5-star).

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Wait, need to keep it for the Clowney thread. Kenya leads on JHS

Planning to post this in the JHS thread Tuesday, too

Good stuff from Adragna. I think — maybe hope — we see some lineups with both Bates and Stewart.

Anyone have any more info on the closed scrimmage mentioned in the @Mike Schumann piece?

Agreed, I expect more of a threat for big plays and catches, maybe you give back some pass protection and short-yardage success. But overall a net gain.

He seemed solid in the minutes he played in the Bahamas. He needs to add mass to be a better defender and that takes time.

Yeah I’ve come away really impressed with Stewart in spite of the shots not falling. Fans need to cool it worrying about Lander or speculating. He’d be a frosh right now if he hadn’t reclassified. IU has two experienced 4th year PGs, and the rotations in the Bahamas were…I mean, not March-style but certainly more aimed at winning than a true exhibition platoon. Plenty of space for him to earn time.

I have a similar wishlist; I might expand the Race shooting wish to include TJD. As for the PGs, I have some thoughts: 1. I’d love to see a cleaner game from X to see what he can do without foul trouble. 2. I’d like to see at least one of them have a nice shooting game from the outside. 3. I’m curious if we’ll see any lineups with two of them at once. (Bates/Stew/Kopp/Galloway and eventually Leal mean IU probably doesn’t *have* to use lineups like that, but I’m curious about them — maybe against smaller teams than Mega). 4. I found it interesting that Bates handled some of those duties while playing alongside Rob. I think that can make some sense. 5. related to #4, I’m curious if we’ll see any lineups without one of X, Rob, or Lander…e.g. Bates/Stew plus whatever frontcourt, maybe including Kopp and/or Galloway for a little extra handling.

Bates hit the second 3?

Small sample warning, but it’s never bad to see shooting numbers that good.

That’s my read, that he’s a 3 you could slide to spend some time as a small ball 4 when he bulks up some.

Yeah most years it’s already those two and MSU, with occasional interlopers

According to a parenthetical here Matt from Endless Motor scouting had Clowney as one of the two most impressive bugs at NBPA Top 100 camp last week https://mgoblog.com/content/hoops-recruiting-desperately-wants-add-another-frenchman