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Good catch, that is true but, i still think it is a stretch to say he kept Archie's staff when he kept 1 asst, 1 staff and the strength guy. There are plenty of other things to focus on.

Yeah i made that same point. He kept 1 assistant and 1 staff member (Walsh) and brought in several new amongst them Fife, Cal, Ya, Thad and Hulls. Thad and Fife left soon after but still he only kept 1 assistant. I think that is a good idea for most new coaches if there is talent on the team you want to retain.

Woody only kept one of Archie's assistant coaches, Hunter. Ya is new and Fife was new. Walsh was on Archie's staff but only moved up to Assistant after Fife was let go. Calbert, Hulls are new additions to the extended staff. So I don't really get this idea that he kept Archie's staff.

This is not a sour grapes we never wanted him post, but I am not sure how many recruits we want that would choose us after how we played this year. Supposedly DQ was leaning our way because of Woodys ability to get TJD and Ware to the NBA. That is a fine part of the analysis but I think we would be better in the long run focusing on kids who want to go to a winning program. So had DQ chose us despite next year not looking good, no high end PG signed and primarily interested because of the NBA potential, it would seem to go against our desires to compete for titles. Now I don’t think DQ is a bad kid or would keep us from winning but I never got why we needed him given our roster.

Appreciate the post and the thoughts but does this identify you to the staff/AD dept? Maybe they don’t follow the boards but if they do, I just wanted to make sure they don’t come for a visit and hand you a cardboard box.

I think it would be very hard to stay the course if this happens. Fan pressure, media pressure, maybe some NIL $ pressure will increase to make a change. Fans in AH and wherever the BT tournament are will likely voice their displeasure at games and this will just add to the pressure.

Is the Trilly news all we are going on or has there been more. I mean, it isn’t like Trilly has been as accurate as he was initially

Not limiting the ability (of the AD) to make changes (to the HC position). Giving Woody the $1m raise was probably not needed and not really warranted but does not further limit Dolson's ability to fire Woody whereas an extension, like Crean got, could have raised the buyout.

I am curious about this too. Hopefully after @chris sneaks into SD's office to get a picture of his list of candidates he can host a players only outing to get the scoop.

Understood but I don't recall that many people suggesting he needed to be fired at that time. So I would not say it was covering up a problem but perhaps trusting too much in a style change post TJD and landing the big recruits. As that did not happen, then this season went south those problems became more obvious. The not a big deal part relates more to not limiting our ability to make a change.

Does the $1m raise hurt us much? At the time, we had improved year 1 to year 2 and were seemingly on the "verge" of getting a big recruiting class for 2024. You could make a case that the $1m increase was to signal any external noise that they had confidence in Woody and perhaps help seal the deal with recruits. As it seems with every momentum we have had since RMK left, it quickly died out. But at least it was not an extension ala Crean.

@chris if as you say he is back for next year but you think that will be his last, does that mean he leaves next year regardless? If we just make the NCAA but again are an early out is he still going to be gone (retire)? If we somehow get to a sweet 16, but the prospects for the following year are questionable would we keep him for year 5?

We may still need more patience than we have shown other coaches. But a younger guy like May (or similar) I think we would be more willing to let them learn on the job than someone in their late 60's.

Looks like Baylor has had the same AD and President since 2017. The AD seems to share some similiar values as Drew so that stability could be attractive to stay as well. But, he would be at the top of my list. If he does have some bad reputation with the HS and AAU coaches here though that may just as big an issue

I thought the uniforms today and music at the Hoosierfest were for the younger fans? I think having a contender regularly again will be enough to attract young and old.

College aged daughter just texted to let me know she thinks our uniforms are the ugliest thing she has ever seen. Hopefully someone likes them

Fair point. Those guys were short recruits though so more similar to portal gets than a HS recruit but you are correct.

Wait are you the “Shame on you guy”. lol, never mind. I highly doubt we will find common ground in this.

Portal: so a guy has to hit on all the portal targets? MR, Ware, MM, X, Tamar Bates, Miller Kopp, all very good gets but miss on his guards and he is not good in the portal I do not disagree about him missing on guards and or over valuing what we had but even a very good recruiter does not get em all Hope you are happy with the next guy.

I was not saying you added that just that including that word did not change the idea that many in our fan base match how the media describes us. You may not have been regularly criticizing Woody’s character as I described in my initial response. I also may be protective as I know the family and know a bit about him off the court. I also am not convinced he can get it done here seeing posts calling him lazy, arrogant, stubborn etc just seem unnecessary.

Adding “Appears” does not change things much really. My overall point is that there are a lot of ways to be critical of a coach without going after his character. Now if he has real obvious character issues then those are fair game.

Portal: He has been one of the better portal recruiters and that is important in todays world. High School: He took an aggressive approach which many of us liked when it looked like it would land Biggie, Liam and DQ. Now that he has missed on Biggie it certainly seems like he made a tactical error by not having secondary options. At his age, this may prove to be the primary thing that brings his tenure to an end. Recruiting HS kids seems to be something he is struggling with for sure. But to jump to he is lazy should be hard to without considering how much time he puts in overall. I think he may have felt recruiting could be done a different way. It seems safe to say he miscalculated on that. What he does about it may determine whether he can build this program to be a BT and NCAA contender.

Which fans? Many of the fans wanted an Indiana guy? I would have loved a Pearl, Drew type of hire but many, some with $, wanted an IU guy.

Maybe I missed something but how in the world do you know what Woody is more concerned about? I am fine with the dissatisfaction with the program and I am fine if you think we need to make a change now but the continuous slamming of the man is tiring. He is lazy, selfish, arrogant, concerned more about his legacy, blah. Another realistic idea is he was not satisfied with our previous hires and was convinced he could do better. Has he? Certainly depends on who you compare to but his own goals were to compete for BT championships and NCAA championships. We finished 2nd last year in the BT in year 2. This year we absolutely took a step back and he certainly took a big gamble going limiting his portal and HS recruiting. Won’t argue at all with that and it could be his undoing for sure. Especially at his age. Some of you guys are just so negative you just keep the personal attacks on a constant loop. The evidence you use to try and support those is weak. Well he doesn’t feel the need to explain to the press why he did X. He is stubborn and won’t change his strategies but none of us are in the huddle or in practices. He is selfish because he won’t quit now. lol. I am board if SD makes a change after the year. But to say this experiment failed badly and to continually go after Woody’s character just confirms what Goodman and crew feel about our fan base.

Would assume a lot of NIL $ is in favor of Woody staying.