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not familiar with all the tie breaker info, but those three are all tied and UM plays MSU. PU split with MSU, so assume if MSU wins, it goes to TB. mind sharing how MSU wins the TB? Thanks in advance.

great win! only our second Q2 W of the season IIRC. now just beat Rutgers. looking more like we'll be 9 playing 8 (OSU) in the BTT. Then playing 1 (PU/MSU/UM). i'd love to get a crack at PU again.

good stuff. Florida going down at home helps. Seton Hall upsetting Marq didn't help. Georgetown getting spanked helps. NW up 10+ at half over OSU is good. ISU went down too, but guessing that doesn't matter. NCSt/GT early but close.

not saying we have to win the BTT at all. just the next two to be in the conversation. we can't lose to a **** team. we can lose to a good team.

we have to win the next two. anyone who thinks otherwise is pumping sunshine. we just got back into the bubble conversation with a win over a top 10 team. losing to one of the bottom teams kills us. if we win the next two, the BTT will be interesting as hell. day two start and big big game.

are you sure you're not looking at non-conference SoS (which is bad).Overall SoS is top 10 by most metrics.

lol. yup, but he did commit there. then tried SCar.

I know. But he goes to a prep in La Porte, where kids from all over go. La Porte is a border town, and La Lumiere is full of kids from N Indiana, Michigan, and IL (and all over). Brian Bowen went there, who attended Louisville. Jaren Jackson went there, who attended Michigan St. Stewart (same class) is going to Washington. Just saying it's similar to IMG where kids don't always have loyalty to in state schools. It's a BBall factory prep.

La Porte is a border town on the edge of the state. The folks up there can identify as much with IL or MI as they do with IN. Or, they can identify with more than one. So just because he's from IN, he may not be all that concerned with what IN folks think.

kids choose out of state schools all the time from their HS's. hope that's not the case.

we didn't make it on to ESPN's new bracetology bracket/bubble, but we are listed now on the bubble watch tab as "work to do" baby steps http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/25923557/mid-majors-going-lose-out Indiana Hoosiers With still another thrilling win over Michigan State and a season sweep against the Spartans, Indiana is back in the bubble discussion. The Hoosiers can claim six Quad 1 wins on the year, and, while they also have suffered nine Quad 1 defeats, the high number of quality victories is sufficient for IU's profile to at least get a hearing "in the room" as they say. If (and it's no small if) Archie Miller's men win at Illinois and at home against Rutgers, they'll finish the season at 17-14 overall and 8-12 in the Big Ten. That could get the job done. (Updated: March 2)

With the new NET criteria, maybe we aren't what our record says we are :-)

Got to cheer for MN losses. All of them lol. It hurts to cheer for PU, but you have to if you're an IU fan. Hold your nose

St Johns is a strange one. They are behind us in NET, but "in" in just about every bracket projection I've seen. The loss is bad (DePaul sucks), but it's a road loss. I don't see them dropping as much as Iowa. But yes, regardless, good for IU. We need every team around us in NET rating to lose as much as possible.

No monopoly ever said "here's what's in our secret sauce" lol... In all seriousness, I think they'll keep it under wraps to avoid criticism of logic. and they might still be in tweaking phase. as it is with all selection committees that use a mix of algorithms and human judgement, they are already under the microscope. the more that's unknown, the more they can spin narrative to support their final output.

I just figure, most teams outside of the top 50, getting even a home Q1 win over a top 10 team (one with the best Q1 record in the nation), might be worth more than 4 spots. i mean how many teams outside of the top 50 get wins like that. i know i know, it's likely some algorithm that doesn't care :-)

Having everyone inside the top 100 is great for us. It's going to be really interesting the next couple weeks. I'm a big fan of the NET system. Makes it so much easier to follow and predict.

8 spots for a bad home loss (Q3) isn't that bad. thought IU would get more than a 4 spot bump for Q1 win. concerned about the bumps we'll get from IL and Rut should we win.

yup, agree. and thanks for the insight. I'd prefer they just create a formula and let the computer's spit something out. wherever humans play, you're going to end up with a mixed bag of personal criteria, and potential bias. and to have a small 10 person committee, especially with a KY AD, just gives me the shivers. There definitely will be some of those WTH moments, but hoping they stick to script/criteria as much as possible. i'm more concerned with what some of the other teams do that are slightly ahead of us in NET. And every bubble team needs to worry about small conference championships where a team ranked high in NET, get's upset by a crap team who takes an auto bid.

KPI is on the Team sheets. And doesn't KPI use conf record on their report? Not sure about the others, but I'm guessing the "various computer metrics" that they include (last bullet), some use/include conf stats. In short, even though "conf w-l" is not an official indicator, it's like asking a juror to ignore evidence thrown out on a technicality. if you see the defendant commit a murder on video, do you really ignore it when the judge tells you to throw it out? do you think the jury doesn't discuss it when behind closed doors?

there's plenty of good in categories. there's also plenty of bad. you can't just ignore all the bad for the good. we have a very unique resume. it will be interesting. we need some help from others (losing ahead of us in NET), and we need as few spoilers (from typcial one team conferences) as we can get.

here's straight from the NCAA site.... i also forgot to mention road record ( which is 2-9). in addition, they use team sheets which use other rating/ranking systems (outside of net) which factor in conf and non conf records. it's listed in the below url. http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/mens-basketball-selections-101-selections Selection Criteria The NCAA Evaluation Tool, known as the NET, is in its first year of existence and is one of many factors used by NCAA sports committees when evaluating team selection, seeding and bracketing. The components of the NET include the Team Value Index, which is based on game results and factors game location, the opponent and outcome, as well as net efficiency, winning percentage, adjusted winning percentage and a capped scoring margin. Other criteria the committee considers in the selections process: An extensive season-long evaluation of teams through watching games, conference monitoring calls and regional advisory committee rankings. Complete box scores and results. Head-to-head results and results versus common opponents. Imbalanced conference schedules and results. Overall and nonconference strength of schedule. The quality of wins and losses. Road record. Player and coach availability. Various computer metrics.

The committee looks at conf record, overall record, overall SoS, non-conf SoS, and NET. a conference record of 6-12 and a non-conf SoS of 196 are just two indicators. They will be points of discussion. To say they mean nothing is silly.

The ratings I used are NET rankng/ratings. https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketball-men/d1/ncaa-mens-basketball-net-rankings There are 32 auto bids. Then 36 at large are selected. The committee uses NET as a tool to select the 36 at large. NET is not the end all be all (it's not auto), but it's suppose to be the guiding tool. I've listed what would likely be the 36 at large teams as of yesterday's NET ratings. I also listed likely auto bids (they have to play the CC), and also potential conferences where we could see spoilers (leagues that should only get one, but could get 2) that would hurt IU's chances. Do you argue just to argue?

so here's the stack based on current NET ranking (does not include our MSU win). The MSU win by itself likely would not put us past the current cut line. I need to look at the future opponents of those ahead of us. Regardless, I still think we need some help. It's also likely that we won't start day one in the CC, which would make it harder to attain 4 more wins, but would help with NET, and potentially H2H win over competing bubble teams. Anyway, gives you a good idea of who to cheer against. 32 Auto Bids (Team / Current NET Rating) ---------------- WCC Gonzaga 1 ACC Virginia 2 AAC Houston 4 SEC Kentucky 5 B10 MSU 6 B12 TTU 10 MAC Buf 16 (spoiler if they lose CC) CoCon Wofford 18 (spoiler if they lose CC) MWC Nevada 19 (spoiler if they lose CC) BigE Marquette 21 A10 VCU 37 OVC Belmont 45 (possible spoiler if they lose CC) ASUN Lipscomb 46 (Possible spoiler if they lose CC) WAC New Mex St 51 Note - I stopped auto bids at smaller conferences post NET 58, as there would not be a potential spoiler 36 At Large (Team / current NET rating) ------------------------------------------------ Duke 3 TN 7 NC 8 MI 9 VT 11 PU 12 LSU 13 ISU 14 Wisc 15 KS 17 MissSt 20 Cinci 22 FSU 23 Aub 24 Lou 25 Maryland 26 Vil 27 KSU 28 FL 29 UCF 30 NC St 31 WA 32 Iowa 33 Utah St 34 Baylor 35 TX 36 Ole Miss 38 St Mary's 39 OSU 40 Clem 41 OK 42 TCU 43 Syracuse 44 Fruman 47 Nebraska 48 Bama 49 --------------cut line----------------- PSU 50 Murry St 52 Memphis 53 Butler 54 MN 55 Creighton 56 Temple 57 INDIANA 58 IU Future opponents ----------------------------------- IL 94 Rutgers 104