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Not sure what you're watching, but if you're saying you're willing to throw away the season this year to the benefit of next season and beyond, that's your prerogative, but this team won't win this season with just Ramsey. Lagow threw for > 400 yards against Ohio State. He may not be consistent, but to say he can't throw the ball well is simply incorrect. Lagow throws it down the field FAR better than Ramsey does; and we need that as part of our offense. I don't think anyone else is willing to give this season away.

I guess what I'd say is I don't think either one of them is good enough to be "all the time." I hate the two QB thing too; but in this case, it gives them the best chance to succeed depending on what defenses do because they're completely different players.

I said two weeks ago we're going to need them both to maximize our offense and I stand by that comment at this point. Lagow throws it down the field FAR better than Ramsey does.

Maybe it wouldn't. He was thrown in two weeks ago against a team unprepared for him. He was thrown in this week against a team that knows how to defend the read option because they run something similar. Think a few guys made him a hero based on an incomplete picture.

So is cheering loudly. Chants are...eh to me. I know a few players who thought they were stupid. Maybe personal opinion, but I don't think they do any more than just cheering for a kid. I think Romeo is well aware the fan base knows who he is and want him at IU. A chant won't change that. I guess I feel like chants vs normal cheering are the same as piped in music vs the pep band. One seems genuine; the other fabricated and canned. I also think some of the chants over the years have been really stupid. "Mi Ike Davis," etc. My opinion.

Why? You've now seen (if you're objective) how his option can be easily taken away if a team is prepared for it (GA SO is BAD, by the way), and he can't throw the ball consistently. He's 1-4 for 7 yards and averaging less than 4 yards a carry. Leaving him in for good would be a mistake.

Same kids saw GameDay on Campus. They're playing Georgia Southern in 90* heat, and Allen's been able to recruit just fine. As if this is the first time fans have left early during a blowout. It was a blowout WIN, btw. Kids aren't stupid.

Please no chants. Please. No. Chants.

Yes I do. And civilly agreeing to disagree is what boards like these are about. Peace..Go Hoosiers!

Yeah, but his numbers are only part of his story. His mobility was his greatest attribute. He was never utilized as he should have been; and we absolutely contended for a title with him at Indiana. We were a #1 seed and won the Big Ten. The problem there was Crean; not Cody. The way he was used in the Syracuse game was laughable. That's on Crean, not Cody. Cody committed relatively early; and the following season was "the movement." It obviously didn't work out, but that's the only class who COULD have "flocked" to play with Cody, and it was one of the top classes in the country at the time. The guy was arguably the most dominant mobile big man in the country, and his team in 2011-2012 went from 12-20 to 27-9 without adding a whole lot more. (Though Oladipo improved a great deal....that's true) That''s exclusively on Cody because it sure as heck wasn't on Crean. All due respect, I think you're selling Zeller short and perhaps placing blame on un-reached potential on a guy 30 years younger than the man who should shoulder it.

I saw what you saw, and I would attribute most if not all of it to coaching and the way he was used. I smiled at your last sentence. Wouldn't know anything about that....

"As good?" Yeah. He was. He was a far better defender as a sophomore. Also a lot bigger. He averaged more points, more rebounds, more FT attempts - and led the Big Ten in attempts and makes; had more assists, and more blocks. (granted the last two were marginal, but so were the numbers on which he declined a bit) His team improved by 2 games, his "plus/minus" was identical, and he was asked to play more minutes. He never was asked to develop a jump shot; and he drew a hell of a lot more double teams than he did his freshman year. He was never truly allowed to play out on the floor facing the basket; and he was the best mobile big man in the country. Was he as efficient as he was his freshman season? Was he utilized properly? I can make that argument. But a regression? I don't see that.

The other thing Zeller did was show other top recruits Indiana was worth a look. Coach Miller would benefit as much from who might follow and continue building than he would Romeo himself. Only I think Miller could sustain it.

I will never understand why a player would want to sit on the ends of the court.

34-6 INDIANA wins

The way I see this season boils down to how well we defend and how well our bench can adapt and contribute. Our starting 5 is okay. (Assuming it's Johnson, Newkirk, Hartman, Davis, and Morgan) We're not going to be an offensive juggernaut by any means, but there won't be many teams with that kind of experience in the starting lineup. That's 3 seniors, a junior, and a sophomore. If they guard, we'll be in a lot of games. Newkirk is a kid who I think can really improve his offensive stats, Johnson is who he is; we'll see whether or not Davis' hype is smoke or fire; and we pretty much know what we'll get from Hartman and Morgan. I think Indiana will struggle to score 70 points most nights. I see a lot of 64-57 type games, even against teams we may not expect; but especially in the Big Ten. There really isn't "instant offense" off the bench, and we don't have much size. If Indiana wins 18-20 games this season, and is in the NCAA conversation; I think that's a successful year 1, whether we make the tournament or not. Can we defend? Can we rebound? Can we score consistently? Those are the question marks as I see them. If we can do the first two, we've got a shot to be better. If not? 14-15 wins will be difficult.

What about deflections?!?!?! Can anyone take this kind of thing seriously without a reference to those? Removes tongue from cheek. Basketball is a simple game. SAB VRG Spacing, Angles, Ball movement, Value the ball, Rebound, Guard somebody. As an Indiana fan, what's not to like about that article?

Whatever. You're more interested in being right than anything else. I said he may end up having value, but he was hired for his east coast ties. And he was. I did not say he had no value. That's you putting words in my mouth. You want to be right, I'll let you be right. What does it matter? Same group of 3-4 guys. Every time.

And to think you got on me earlier about nit picking. Listen...Brusier Flint is an east coast guy who was hired because of his east coast relationships. That's a fact. Miller said so. Whether or not he has other responsibilities is not something I know. But I DO know Miller contacted Phinisee very quickly after he was hired and maintained contact. That's also a fact. I have no idea if Forrester is any good or not. I have no idea what real role Flint played in recruiting Anderson. I have no idea what prior relationships he had with Phinisee or Anderson. Maybe he'll end up being great for the program. I have been on record for a long time that I don't think Indiana University needs to recruit the east coast on a consistent basis; but the whole university and the Big Ten (except Izzo) are going that direction, so this is kind of a me problem.

You are correct...and I have no clue where my brain was...I deviated from my point about east coast ties.. Wow... I know what he's saying, but I never said he wasn't. I said he was hired for his east coast ties....and he was.

Who's "he?" Miller or Flint? Flint was hired for his east cost relationships (which Miller mentioned early on); and also because of some coaches he knows around here. Of course he can recruit around the area. I never said he couldn't. What's your point other than to argue? I never said anything about anyone's ability to recruit Indiana, and in fact have been very complimentary so far. What is your point?? I'm not ignoring anything. You're arguing for the sake of arguing. You put words in my mouth...I called you on it. Move on. For the love of God, man.

There's always an assistant attached. Flint was not hired because he can recruit Indiana. Don't kid yourself. Based on what I know, the first recruit Miller contacted after Langford was Phinisee. Why would you doubt a head coach's role in recruiting? Even Knight took the lead on mission-critical kids much of the time; and he hated recruiting. I never used the word "only." You did.

The lead recruiter on Phinisee was Archie Miller. Like I said, the kid might be terrific and a perfect fit. Flint may end up having value; but the reason he was hired was because of his east coast ties. The entire university has gone that direction, as has the Big Ten. I'll never understand it, nor like it; but that's my opinion.

Sorry.... I was referring to whether or not this recruitment somehow means Morgan is leaving.

This would disappoint me. A lot. Not sure if this comes as a guess or whether you know something; but if this is the case, I'm leery of the methodology.