TheStillman

  Agreed it needs to hinge on more than 1 game and I am not counting a win.  My point is simply that playing well against OSU at home is all well and good but it is about what comes next.  You have two games ahead that I think the team should win and should go into with the mentality that its a win.  It is easy to bring the intensity one week against the #1 team in the country at home.  Bring that same intensity every week for the rest of the season and the program has turned a corner.     If we are 6-1 heading to East Lansing I think the program has positioned itself from the bottom tier to the middle tier at least for this year.  

  Absolutely, if this program has turned a corner we will be 6-1.  Have to make a real statement next week.

Haven't able to focus all week.  Let's have a good showing Hoosiers.  Keep building the program

Some good discussion here but I think a major point needs to be made to those who say that athletics is a way for the University to generate dollars.  This is data from 2008 since that is the latest I could find with a quick search but the trends and proportions likely stayed true over the past 7 years.   IU athletics brought in $57.1 million in FY 2008 versus the total University revenue base of $2.4 billion (about 2% of total revenues).  IU's expenses in FY 2008 for athletics were $50 million.  So if we consider that $7.1 million as the net revenues of the department we are looking at $7.1 million made for the University (.30% of the University's total revenue base).    We all love athletics here but the University would do just fine without it from a monetary perspective.  Yes it does provide marketing at a below market value cost but the University as a whole is much bigger than the athletic department and if not for athletics the University would find other ways to market itself since getting a college education by and large is considered a standard in the US.    Further, the situations at Texas and Michigan are so different than Glass at IU.  It does not indicate that those universities are more committed or anything like that.  It means that they made bad hires who did not care about the university mission and only cared about the dollars which created a toxic environment.  To me Glass hits a good mix between understanding the mission and generating dollars to support the athletic department.  I also respect the hell out of what he has done with the Student-Athlete Bill of Rights.   To any point that people don't know Harvey Mudd College or Elon or whoever and that somehow shows that IU should emphasize athletics equally with academics I think you're putting forth a false narrative.  People know what is relevant to them.  If I was interested in going to an elite grad program that either of those schools offered I would know about it.  Just like I would know about it at Duke or IU.  If you're seeking out an education you will do your due diligence given the long term costs and benefits from making this choice.  For some on the margin the athletics program may drive this decision but for most it will not.   

Read up a bit on the situation at Texas. The guy brought a toxic environment to the department and alienated his employees. He raised ticket prices and didn't seem to care much for the average fan, just the bottom line. http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/13665028/steve-patterson-firing-texas-shows-college-ads-all-business Glass has done the exact opposite of what Patterson and Brandon did at Texas and Michigan. He's made the fan experience at football, basketball and baseball games something the University should be proud of.

The front door to the University shouldn't be the athletic department

This is perfect. In summary if Max did it solo it was great, if Crean was involved it's worthless.

  I have heard numerous stories that involved Zeller drinking while in college in Bloomington FWIW.  Think he was definitely smarter than these kids about it but he drank just like the rest of those guys from 2011-13 did.

  I doubt you would hear any complaints like that.  The guy isn't coming here regardless. 

  The guy coaches one of the top professional sports franchises from a historical perspective.  It's not like he is coaching the Kings, it is the Celtics.  

If I had to guess...Stevens turns us down this offseason, we hire a different coach then him and everyone on this site are having pretty much the same arguments as they are now but with whoever we hire in place of Crean.  

  What a confusing way to react to this specific news.

I don't think you understand what lack of institutional control means in the NCAA's eyes. If IU was going out of its way to sweep these transgressions with players under the rug that would be lack of institutional control.

Two guys got kicked off the team earlier this summer. What do you consider real consequences?

For my friend's bachelor party this summer who went to IU and is from Detroit I got him a Lions Oladipo shersey just because it made no sense.