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Allegedly he did in the mid 90s which coincided with a downturn in success. Funny how that works.

He’s never registered on my radar enough for me to even consider the question. Let me think…yea, I guess I liked him enough as a player. I was around when he was ipfw and he did a decent enough job, I guess. So…I don’t know… The broader question is: wtf would the IU administration be listening to a 21 yr old f’n kid? 21 yr old kids are idiots with the worldly wisdom of gnat. Lots of athletes in his position make loyalty plays for their favorite assistants. Why would any adults even listen to it??? It speaks volumes about how unserious an administration Indiana is/was. If there were an adult in the room and they had told Fife to pack his bags and head for the Michigan border because we have this young coach named Jay Wright we’re bringing in, would anybody even care? Sure, a lot of the old guard would have cried at the time. But by now they would all lie and say they always knew we should’ve dumped Fife, Alford, Buckner, Gonzo et al and went with the talented young guy who brought us more championships. I can’t wait for a DC search firm to identify Jerome tang as our top target.

My last bit of faith died when I waited around for Crean to tear down the program so he could build it exactly like he wanted and he built one team (and awesome one at that) and promptly crapped out and went right back to mediocre. I barely could gather my interest for the Archie years after watching his teams play a little. I was very skeptical Woody would work out. My interest has somewhat been driven by the new changes with transfers and NIL I have long maintained, before I even joined this board, at such changes would primarily benefit a school like Indiana. I feel vindicated in that belief, but unfortunately you still need a good coach to steer the ship. Arguably now a good X’s and O’s coach is more important than a good recruiter (the types that have dominated college ball for a while now) because you could theoretically offload ~50% of player acquisition duties to a good GM type. i’m excited for the upcoming coaching search, simply because they are fun. But I have no confidence IU will get it right.

Coaching searches have provided me with more entertainment than the basketball that follows them. I say Alan Huss nuthin’ on Greg Tongal.

Just because this discussion is kind of fun…in a perverse sort of way… Davis also took over the best program of any of them. We were still considered elite and one of five blue bloods. Jeffries wasn’t coached by knight but definitely was recruited by him—the same with the rest of that loaded roster Davis inherited. He was by far left the best roster of all our post knight coaches which he promptly ran dry with his Woodson-esque local recruiting. Which brings me to one name that hasn’t been brought up yet: Eric Gordon. He desperately wanted to play at IU but it was a complete no go with Davis. Oden, Conley, Gordon, Harangody, older Zeller, and about a half dozen more was a good era for in state recruiting. I think you could’ve never left the state and built one, maybe two, championship teams in that era. Davis wasn’t really a factor for any of them. At the time I honestly thought if Davis left, we’d go back to championships. I can’t even believe I’ve survived 25 yrs of this crap. :/

I don’t disagree. After watching him last season I have expressed my own couple criticisms of his style. But there’s no need to fabricate what actually happened in the game to justify some silly critique of a guy at Michigan in some half hearted attempt to continue to defend Woody. I disagree with your last paragraph though. We’re not hiring the new coach. We’re just arguing with a Woody shill. You don’t really have to take anything at face value from people who spent so much time defending Woody despite all the evidence to the contrary. So for my money, Dusty > Woody, and that’s all that matters in this discussion.

They literally got a wide open, or barely contested, 3 point shot to win the game. There’s something called the internet that you can look these things up on and get actual video evidence of the things you’re talking about.

If I were king, those plays would result in a tech for flopping. Another solid performance for Michigan though. They’re up to 25 in kenpom and look like a solid tourney team in Mays first year. Also, Ryan conwell led all scorers in the UConn/X game. It’s crazy to me he wasn’t one of our two top guard targets.

Dang. Van Arsedales, Jimmy Rayl, Bill Garrett, etc…there’s a whole era(s) of iu basketball I wish more people, including myself, knew about. RIP.

I’m guessing that post is him giving up. Also, I’ve been out of the country for a few days. Catching up on this Nebraska fiasco has been entertaining, to say the least.

I’d probably have oregon on there somewhere. With NIL and Nike I’m thinking Altman can turn around whatever stalled his initial progress out. Seems about as likely as MSU or IU anyways.

I’d say that decision is worth 10-20 draft spots and the resulting millions that would stem from such a spread. At this rate I’m really curious how he ever came to sign with IU in the first place. NIL?

Viewership goes up each round and comparatively not many people watch the play-ins, so the quality matters somewhat. But what it really does is water down the regular season and conf tourneys a little more, but the NCAA doesn’t care about that because they only get money from the tournament.

IU 69 Neb 68

It’s a terrible idea. At some point all this expansion to capture tv money will have some blow back.

I hate the shot charts that are basically Alabama shooting only runs at the basket and threes because open 2s are still a good shot and should be taken in the flow of good offensive execution, imo. I also just aesthetically dislike the constant dribble drive and kick. With that said, if there’s one team who’s share chart could credibly look like that it would be a team like Indiana that dumps it into a couple big post players and has good perimeters setting up along the three point line. It shouldn’t even be possible for us to have a bunch of long 2’s except that our spacing is constantly a mess.

Exactly. no need to inquire further. Pick a real candidate and make your play.

Luckily there aren’t very many above avg. which means if we’re above avg we could still finish top 6. I’m not sure we’re better than average though.

We could guess. Or we could look to last time as our guide. It was messy last time he was publicly disavowing the whole state and calling himself a masshole.

Pope was a mid level guy and roughly equivalent to us getting Archie. Not all that hard. Looks great now but lots of people thought they settled at the time. The big names are different. Even if they don’t want to go, their agent won’t allow them to give a simple, discreet no. They’ll leak it to the press and then use that leverage to renegotiate where they are at. Then that’s it. You can’t go after another big name and say “good news, you’re our 2nd choice and number 1 just said no.” If you tried that with May after getting turned down with Steven’s then he’ll do the same and just use it to renegotiate. If you want to go for a big name, pick one and make your play. If/when you strike out you’ll be fighting everyone for whatever mid/low major guys are left. See Lville last year.

He could say much worse. And we saw it last time: you only have so much political capital to spend chasing pie-in-the-sky candidates before you run out of capital and publicly the job reeks of desperation. We literally watched this unfold last time and is allegedly the reason we stuck with Woody. I’d probably pass on wasting any energy on Steven’s this time around.

Spend the extra buck and get some JTS Brown. Paul Newman would be proud.

Oregons court is a traveshamockery. With that said, they are kind of taking the conf by storm in the revenue sports.

IU 71 Minny 65

While I get your point with regards to Woodson, I think there’s a larger point in there. The current NBA is terrible basketball and corresponding their ratings are in the tank. Just watching guys run up and down half heartedly for layups and 3s isn’t compelling. Because of the number of games in the NBA, it can somewhat be effective in the long run. But in college with a single elimination tournament you had better bring a little more than that. Unfortunately Woody can’t do either effectively.