str8baller

Yes. If I had to choose, I’d take UCLA over following coach K. But it never comes down to that. Those jobs are rarely open, especially at the same time. So yes, when one comes up a type A top tier coach will jump. But objectively, following K will be a killer... no matter how good the coach.

Now do the number of titles this century. B1G is a deep conf, but not a top heavy one.

Meh... top tier coaches and type A personalities don’t think like that. They all think they’re the best or they wouldn’t take the job. You can spin it out self rationalize it anyway you want. The truth is, while the UCLA and IU jobs are down right now they’re infinitely more desirable than following coach K when he retires. Or Roy Williams. Those jobs are “great” but the situations following them aren’t.

IU’s still a top 5-6 job. Problem is that a top 5 job requires a top 5 coach. Top 10 at worst. Otherwise it’s like letting a 15 yr permit holder drive a Porche 911. Not only are they not going to maximize the potential, all the mistakes are going to be amplified trying to drive 200mph. UCLA has steered the same fate. UNC the same (old Dean buddy and Dohrety) at times. UK has too (BCG). None of the blue bloods excel without a top coach. IUs a top job but you can’t fit a second tier coach into a first tier job. It’s always about timing for places like IU. That’s why Glass is such a loser for not dumping Crean for Stevens very early. All basketball people knew Stevens was superior. Then extending Crean on top of that was insane , but I’m not sure who’d they hire. Not that many top ten coaches out there (I’d estimate about ten...ha). All about timing.

McDermont is in trouble for comments not much different than Beilien. Thus, I don’t get all the Beilein hype.

TJD is all B1G Lander is a promising freshman Phin has the talent to be an all B1G guard if he gets his head right (maybe a new coach helps?). There’s just not much upside to a mass exodus of talent.

Even by that logic, Fife is the presumptive choice then unless he turns us down.

Agree. But it’s also a reason this is a bad year to dismiss a coach and go into a protracted search. We’re probably not to “protracted “ status yet, but if these other coaches start getting snapped up before we have someone who knows what a kid might do.

Good god.... I’d rather see Assembly Hall burn down than have another Crean-esque used car salesman on the sidelines again. Did he try and sell one of his players a used Buick Lebaron convertible after that?

A segment on a crappy ESPN show is about all this is worth. 5 days ago and 99% of IU fans couldn’t have picked this guy out of a cocktail party in their own living room. I would be disappointed in Dolson if he goes for the flavor of the month.

Sports writers aren’t known for their intelligence.

Nailed it. He’s awful. Better off taking a flyer on a guy like Fife than a retread like Turgeon where you lnow his ceiling is bad coach/decent recruiter.

You think saying she’s far less experienced than Mike Woodson is “baseless?” Your unc friends feelings on hammond do not outweigh the discrepancy in their resumes. Sorry, but you’re not even trying to be logical. you want to get on your soap box about how unfair the world is, so go ahead.

I think I wrote it earlier, but his head coaching stints were better than the records indicate. Even in Atlanta they bottomed out after Wilkens retired. Brought in Stotts and lon kruger. Then Woodson. He built them up into playoff teams and had their best years until they brought budenholzer in and he had that one great year. Him and Bud each have 2 of their 4 best years out of the last two decades. And Bud is highly respected and currently coaches the Bucks. His first two Hawks years were rebuilds and drags down his overall record. People just looking at his record and dismissing his coaching acumen do not know what they are talking about. Personally, I would hope IU had better college candidates lined up. But not liking him as a candidate is no reason to run down a successful alum like a lot of message board fans have. He’s well respected in the league. Much more than guys like Musselman or Becky Hammons for petes sake.

Another reason not to hire her is having to put up with ridiculous missives like this. She’s not even remotely qualified, but anyone pointing that out “can’t handle a female coach.” Maybe she can take over for Ol Roy if your tarheel friends are so high on her.

He’s the exact type of coach to do that. Anyone wanting Becky Hammon over a guy like Woodson ought to have their head examined but only as a perfunctory step to the lobotomy.

I see it as three main “buckets” of current issues. 1. pay- I think the likeness thing will take this off the table, and quite frankly I’m fine with that. These guys should be able to profit off if their own image and/or fame. 2. Grades - I’ll never support a diploma mill type situation. Otoh, I get that some of these kids aren’t scholars. As long as they are actually required to do something towards a real degree, work at it (even with heavy tutoring), and learn some life skills along the way I can live with it. 3. Character- I’ll never put up with and support a program that coddles borderline violent criminals because they can play ball. Indiana has been really lucky to have a long history of pretty high character guys. The Zellers, VOs, JJs, Damon Baileys, Chaneys, Hendersons, etc... We could go further back too. Some of our best players have been our best character guys. I do not think we should, nor have to, deviate from that standard to have a good team.

If you were a ohio state fan you wouldn’t have wanted urban meyer either then, right? Seemed to work out ok for them.

People are really understanding the thug comment. Not saying it’s right, but IU will have to have a diversity and inclusion committee to “start a conversation” about his possibly racist comments. Articles will be written. Old articles will be drudged up about how IU was racist for treating Mike Davis bad. At best he’s maybe suspended for his first game or something. Go look at what happened to mcdermont this year. At worst it tanks recruiting—that and him being 90 yrs old—and dooms the whole thing before it gets off the ground. Just the world we live in today. And I say this as someone who really likes the guy and did all the way back to his WVU days.

That’s life for everyone. Izzo was an assistant. Matta was at a mm when he went to osu. K from Army. Bennett from one of the worst p5 schools. Howard unproven legacy with no experience in college. Self to Kansas and beilien to Michigan were good pulls from good P5 schools but they’re rare. Roy Williams was a special case to his alma mater. IU pulled Sampson from a solid p5 situation and Crean from a good MM situation. Archie was the hot MM guy four years ago. Nothing wrong with iu except the people hiring coaches.

Peep his kenpom numbers. Offense has been an issue. With that said, I wouldn’t be mad if he came. Solid candidate.

You can get whatever you want if you’re willing to chase fads. Chasing recency bias over proven success is what the IU administration has done for two decades and why we’re currently looking again. The coach du jour is often available but usually never the best option.

Yea, had a TO too. Otoh, two missed ft’s and two missed layups or we’re talking about how great beard is for coming back and winning. Fickle game.

Entertaining game. Both teams defend hard. Didn’t see anything offensively that gets me real jazzed about either guy. Ball screen, drive and kick. Same thing every other coach runs.

Bro... you coach college ball and don’t know how good Matta is? Also, look around. Game hasn’t changed except maybe for the worse Xs and Os wise. Guys from the 80s and 90s still dominating: Izzo, Pitino, K, Williams, Few, Tony Bennett running stuff his dad came up with in the 80s, etc... Cmon man...