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Good coaches don’t coach like that. Either you can coach both or you can’t. Whether you’re offense more than defense or vice versa will be dictated by personnel.

Tourney is small sample size. And I like Underwood and was disappointed in their performance. But Underwood literally made no adjustments in that game and Loyola had their number. That was nice scouting by Moser. The problem for a guy like Moser is that once you get a profile people will start adjusting and taking things away that you do well. Today he had no answer for that. He’d see that every night, from better coaches than Tinkle, as a B1G member. As to the other, I’d be curious as to who you like. Personally, I think a good IU program doesn’t need a Calipari-level recruiter at the helm. Most coaches have recruited well at IU. I’d roll the dice with a good “classic” coach who knows xs and os, can prepare a team, and is good in game. Unfortunately, the college game is sparse with that type of coaching talent.

Historically, you have to be about top 30 in both to win a title. The game is played at both ends of the floor. You can’t really be one or the other.

If true, that’d be a red flag for me. People claiming he’s had some late career renaissance could be correct. Or the last few years could be a statistical outlier due to a couple of uncharacteristically good recruiting years.

All his fancy named series didn’t amount to much when he couldn’t address the 2-3 zone early. In their first game they relied on getting it to the big boy to collapse the defense and then cut and pass from there. When OSU took that away they had very little. They missed shots mostly because they were well contested. He was out coached today. And that’ll happen more times than not in a league like the big ten. Happened to Archie. Happened to Crean. Moser might be a fine coach. He’s no where near good enough to succeed at a place like IU. His resume is proof enough.

Some of us were never “in” on him. He’s recruited the most athletic team in the tourney. Don’t think much of him as an xs and os coach, though.

I’m not comparing Sampson and Knight because i do not believe they’re similar. Knight would discipline the hell out of shithead and then kick them off if he had to. But he absolutely had guys who partied and did drugs. But that’s not my standard of conduct, because the “normal college stuff” just goes undetected 99% of the time unless it becomes a real problem.

You’ve hit the big issue with his time at IU. I didn’t follow him at Oklahoma and do not now. So the question is: is that how he normally operates or was he cutting corners to try and get IU “back” immediately. A couple of those guys were juco transfers. It seems funny to think about now, but there was a real sense of urgency back then. The last few years of Knight weren’t great and Davis seemed like an unmitigated disaster at the end. It’d been about a decade since Indiana was a real tourney threat and we expect Sampson to return us to glory...like yesterday! Funny (as in sad) to think back to those days now.

When he was hired, I want real big on him because his offense is unimaginative. But he can recruit (heh), his teams play defense and they play real hard. At this point, we’re likely to hire a worse coach anyways. Might as well give him his old parking spot back and an unlimited cell phone plan with a 812 area code.

Where’s the Kelvin Sampson thread?

Is this supposed to be some kind of excuse for IU? Very unlikely UVA is doing anything that IU isn’t.

I absolutely love how reactionary message boards are.

More I think about it, Dane Fife is the likely play.

More or less at similar junctures in their career. Both are/were not going anywhere with their current team thanks to front office failures. So the next move, and there will be a next move, is gonna come and either be another pro spot or college. Saban was convinced to come back to college even though he never thought he would and his goal was to win the SB. Hell, Saban accomplished a lot more than Stevens in his first stint in the college game, had nothing to prove , and still came back. I’m not one that thinks Stevens is coming, but the parallel with Saban is there beyond the denials. Who knows what Stevens wants and if it’s even the same as he wanted a year ago, 8 years ago or a month ago. He hasn’t won a championship at any level. Doesn’t look like he will with the Celtics. And while he’s capable enough at a coach, in the NBA you realistically have to have a top 2 or 3 roster to do so and the coach has little control over that. I wouldn’t rule out a return to college for him eventually even if he doesn’t want to today.

I can almost guarantee you that the AD isn’t vetting coaching through disgruntled transferred players. I have no idea if it’s Musselman, but Justin Smith won’t have a thing to do with the search.

Doesn’t seem to hurt Gonzaga or Duke. Don’t think recruiting is a con at Indiana unless you want to blatantly cheat. The only thing holding recruiting back at IU is the one doing the recruiting.

When the Thad Matta stuff leaked, IU sure did a good job of reaching out to reporters to try and control the story. Guess you just can’t refute all the rumors.

Yes. If I had to choose, I’d take UCLA over following coach K. But it never comes down to that. Those jobs are rarely open, especially at the same time. So yes, when one comes up a type A top tier coach will jump. But objectively, following K will be a killer... no matter how good the coach.

Now do the number of titles this century. B1G is a deep conf, but not a top heavy one.

Meh... top tier coaches and type A personalities don’t think like that. They all think they’re the best or they wouldn’t take the job. You can spin it out self rationalize it anyway you want. The truth is, while the UCLA and IU jobs are down right now they’re infinitely more desirable than following coach K when he retires. Or Roy Williams. Those jobs are “great” but the situations following them aren’t.

IU’s still a top 5-6 job. Problem is that a top 5 job requires a top 5 coach. Top 10 at worst. Otherwise it’s like letting a 15 yr permit holder drive a Porche 911. Not only are they not going to maximize the potential, all the mistakes are going to be amplified trying to drive 200mph. UCLA has steered the same fate. UNC the same (old Dean buddy and Dohrety) at times. UK has too (BCG). None of the blue bloods excel without a top coach. IUs a top job but you can’t fit a second tier coach into a first tier job. It’s always about timing for places like IU. That’s why Glass is such a loser for not dumping Crean for Stevens very early. All basketball people knew Stevens was superior. Then extending Crean on top of that was insane , but I’m not sure who’d they hire. Not that many top ten coaches out there (I’d estimate about ten...ha). All about timing.

McDermont is in trouble for comments not much different than Beilien. Thus, I don’t get all the Beilein hype.

TJD is all B1G Lander is a promising freshman Phin has the talent to be an all B1G guard if he gets his head right (maybe a new coach helps?). There’s just not much upside to a mass exodus of talent.

Even by that logic, Fife is the presumptive choice then unless he turns us down.

Agree. But it’s also a reason this is a bad year to dismiss a coach and go into a protracted search. We’re probably not to “protracted “ status yet, but if these other coaches start getting snapped up before we have someone who knows what a kid might do.