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A caricature who won B1G titles, took us to SW16's, had us ranked in the top 10 repeatedly and at one point as the longest #1 ranked team, brought us teams with Wat, Hulls, Oladipo, OG, Yogi, etc. He was embarrassing, like I said I'm not a Crean apologist, but I would take him any freaking day over CAM, who did nothing but create the worst offense I've ever seen an IU team run, and lose.

I'm not a Crean apologist but you don't develop one of the best offenses in college basketball consistently without being able to coach. It's more that he was a bad defensive coach and failed to develop sustained recruiting with depth for the next year. He would land a strong class, lose players to the NBA and overseas, with a follow-up lackluster recruiting class, and then he lost the high school coaches' respect, and the vicious circle began. You could certainly make the argument he's a better coach than CAM. Here's a thought, Crean was IU's third winningest coach of all time. Big 10 COY 2011-12, coached IU to wins over, among others, UK of course, twice, MSU, etc., first IU team to beat 3 top 5 teams in a season, the 2011-12 team was 2nd in the nation in 3-pt percentage (imagine that, today), same team finished 1st in the Big 10 in shooting and 3-point shooting and fg%, consistently after had IU among the top teams in scoring/shooting. He's not a really bad coach, but he's only good on one side of the ball and is too much a cheerleader on the sideline.

IU - 71 UM - 68

Yes that’s largely how i see it and posted that previously— it’s not a popular opinion but it’s mine — that was a very winnable road game, with a really tough stretch looming, the violation apparently was curfew, and it was minor enough that all of them were right back for the next game. Lots of other punishment options, risking not making the tourney over that was short sighted and stubborn - my opinion, not going to argue with people who disagree, but man just a really short sighted my way or the highway decision that may cost us a tourney bid. Win 2 and none of this matters, and of course people can say you could argue it was x game, but the fact of this season is that it was the beginning of the long losing streak, and yeah we would have won it with an actual point guard and the full team available. So i’m hoping none of this matters

We just need to win 2 and end the BS, 2 should get us in, 1 prob won’t, and fwiw it all started with Woodson benching half the team ag NWU. Still think that was a terrible decision, still think it may have effectively kept us out of the tourney, but win 2 and it shouldn’t matter

So long as we play within the rules, including in the grey with a functioning compliance dept, I’m good with it — we are supposed to be able to recruit in the same “pool” as everyone else. The problem has been with our compliance dept. It started with Myles Brand’s approach to compliance. I don’t know how it’s run now, cant really speak to that, but it has been a real limitation. Where other programs’ compliance helps them navigate rules to recruit, ours has looked for violations. Brand was a “traditionalist” — the right way fir him was hard adherence to the rules with academics placed first. It’s been a real disconnect— compliance is supposed to work with, not against, athletics. The Brand legacy is that it has worked against athletics and particularly the men’s bball program. To compete at the top consistently the program needs compliance to help, not hinder it in recruiting within the rules and grey

Do I believe it? No. But IU 68 PU 66

I'm kind of torn here. Because of his age and his improprieties I wouldn't have wanted IU to hire him if we were in the same position (no, not the 69 position Stu references lol), he wouldn't be the right coach for IU, but man he's a great coach. The dude will have them winning and winning soon if he's hired. It's a splash hire, can't last that long, but he's a great bball mind (just as Sampson is, fwiw).

Trying. Not. To. Picture. Josh. Pulling. Groin. In shower

Yeah I disagree, but it's all good. this is rehashing old, old news/beliefs, it's gets, well, old, leaving aside that it's Goodman.

Yes, but this doesn't suit his narrative....

I’m not talking pre-Crean and don’t care about playing fantasy games of what might have been a decade ago if we’d made a run at coach X, all of that is just silly

In all seriousness all of this bs has been out for a long time and Goodman is a joke. Of course IU self reported, the infractions were silly but IU isn’t UNC and that’s what IU did at the time (and frankly would now) if it discovered the coach (here, having left his former school to escape ncaa investigation) was violating ncaa rules. Are you really unclear on who IU has played? This is kind of odd. Yes, it’s a total crock.

I’ve had my own groin pull exp, ugh no fun lol, but was back out and running a little over 2 weeks. I don’t know if it’s a groin pull with him, was just a guess, but hope he can get back on the court by b1g tourney

Conjecture?

He’ll dance this year

He won’t be

Really? IU was subject to 5 major NCAA infractions, then it fired Sampson. I guess you don’t consider the top B1G teams “high proflle,” along with the many top flight games IU has scheduled over the years, and UK’s Cal being scared to schedule IU and running away. Ok Stevens? Total crock. Btw, Goodman’s a tool. Curious? Ok yeah, strange post

^^ Yeah I think it's just hard to read into their decisions. Best just letting it all play out. Oh yeah, BEAT RUTGERS!

I knew we would have a good reason to talk Wyoming again! :)

Let's get it!

It would be a monster big tourney, but I would like it. Just imagine the size of those brackets!

IU - 68 Rut - 62

I don’t disagree, the system aint perfect by a longshot, but having to cross compare over multiple conferences, mid majors and others who just won’t have the same strength of schedules etc, a lot of variables. They absolutely mess it up, but gotta have a system. I’d rather a consistent system with known measures but it is what it is

The only way to select teams is to come up with some formula or “metrics” to cross compare differing schedules, conferences, etc. The “best” otherwise is simply subjective. That’s not to say they don’t screw it up and weigh things differently in different years and leave out teams that “should” be in, no system is perfect