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So are you really arguing Vic could barely dribble? Really? This entire discussion is weird. His “dribble” was fine man

Face mirror anyway :)

In fairness it’s not semantics. Vic never had any trouble dribbling, and again he averaged a double double as a guard on the strong Dematha team (and I’ve posted it here bf, a friend who scouted Vic before he picked IU gave me his opinion then that he’d be a star. Vic was never a primary ball handler, he came in as a 2 or off ball guard, that wasn’t his role. He had high TO’s early bc of his aggressive attacking play and learning to play under control and at the speed of college ball, not bc he was somehow learning how to dribble, come on now. His offensive game improved all around, including a monster jump in outside shooting, from the 20s to the 40s, but you could see the form in his FT’s, he had all the tools coming in, about as good a recruiting decision as I’ve ever seen

Yeah he averaged a double double including boards as a guard on that DeMatha team, already an excellent defender and Cook got the offensive load and Coach K ran in and grabbed him overlooking Vic. Who got the better end of that deal? Lol

Agree and with @cthomas-- sometimes the media guys lose track of the fact they're talking to college kids who play basketball - a couple hey congrats on being a dad type questions are cool, but come on media guys, stop the digging around into a player's personal life.

Cody was so dominant, and agree he could've done even more. One of the best former IU players imo. At the same time, Vic was unstoppable as a junior, a monster defender who could dominate anyone, and Yogi was genuinely special all around. I can't rank those guys against each other, just can't, different positions, each became an incredible player at IU (and that's remembering how people used to bash Yogi for running into traffic and leaving his feet with nowhere to go as a frosh -- funny looking back at that now).

Amazing this has been going since 2019

So now the Celtics are apparently in the try-to-get Durant sweepstakes and are willing to deal Jaylen Brown. I'm not a C's fan or a Nets' fan (and not a Durant fan due to his jumping to the Warriors to get rings after getting knocked out by GS in that melt-down Thunder series). Durant's still one of the best in the game, no doubt, but he's starting to get long in the tooth and Brown plus other assets for him? Naah, don't like that from the C's, but just my take.

From ITH -- https://www.insidethehall.com/2022/07/19/video-jordan-geromino-talks-expanding-his-game-his-position-for-next-season-and-more/ Expanding his game so he can play the 3 or the 4. Fighting over ball screens instead of defending ball screens. Defending in transition. Working on decision making - spacing, on ball when to shoot, pass, off ball setting actions, when to cut, making the right decision on the perimeter. Jump shot and handle are getting better. Asked if he's trying to play to play small forward, says more trying to expand his game so he can play the 3 and the 4 (good), produce more for the team. Idea of playing the 3 came from him, to expand his game. About his decision to come back -- "bigger than myself" -- talks about how he trusts Woodson and how strong he sees the program and fighting for a championship (nice). _Still a young kid, so much potential.) Asked about players breaking out, but not really being talked about, says likes K Banks a lot, he has game.

I get the push back we keep seeing on the idea of JG playing on the wing -- in addition to playing his typical forward role -- but I'm kind of wondering if people are watching the interview posted in the first clip. What's clear is that he is and has been working on being able to play both spots / roles all summer, as posted, he talks about what he's been working on to be able to bring that to the table. He also responded to a question about whether the idea to move to the 3 came from Woodson, and answered pretty directly that the idea came from him (JG) to grow his game and contribute more to the team - and not to move to the 3 but to allow him to play both as needed. The kid is a beast already, dominates boards and blocks, has been improving his shot and handle, and now he's a seasoned junior. I will be flat out shocked if he's not playing major minutes, and like you, I tend to think we'll see really intriguing lineups during games (irrespective of starts) that are not fixed by pigeon-holing players into the outmoded idea of 1,2,3,4,5. So many options now -- TJD, Race, JG, X, JHS / Race, JG, Ren, Bates, X / TJD, JG, Bates, JHS, X / TJD, Ren, Kopp, JHS, X / TJD, Race, Ren, Bates, X/ etc.

I expect him to play a lot and 16-18 minutes is a lot. Like I said, if he plays 25, which is major starter minutes, great, that means he's genuinely exceptional already as a frosh.

Geronimo: 232 Min Everyone else: 0 :)

Good info, thx. I still wouldn't see him coming in at 25 mpg, but if he does then he's extremely good, and that would be a major plus. How well JG and Bates have continued to grow their games over the summer to me remains the key to the season. I see Ren as a serious contributor, but it's still Mont/HS to B1G, and as a frosh would expect more in the 16-18 mpg range

Time will tell, but I do not see Ren, a frosh, as coming in and playing the same amount as Race, or so displacing JG, a junior. Ren's uber talented, he's got the college ready body, he's really good, but you guys are seriously discounting JG, imo. The dude kills the glass, he's easily the most athletic player on the team, he's a rebounding monster and a returning vet who just played very well in the NCAA tourney, and on a per 40 basis was 11+ boards, (16.6 on per 100 min) - best on team - and 2.2 blocks (3.3 per 100 min) - 2nd best on team, already raised his 3-point shooting to 31% likely improved over summer, and he's coming in honing his skills to play at both the 3 and 4. Ren came off the bench in his loaded Montverde team. He's excellent, but he's a frosh.

Yeah that was a heck of s squad - and a real measuring stick. To me OG is the difference. As good as Yogi was JHS may measure up, but I don’t see anyone stacking up to OG - big shoes to fill for JG. But JHS, TJD, Bates, Ren, JG, Race, and X, with Galloway et al? Just maybe - heck of a looking squad too

Dakich is a tool. That is all

Gives new meaning to the phrase pay to play :)

Siap - Trendon Watford with game MVP in summer league title win for Portland over Knicks

However you slice it, dude’s a big frosh guard, college ready body, ready to bang

It is curious but it doesn’t really surprise me. Archie is not and never was a bad guy, it’s just that that program and IU are very different animals and for whatever reason he was a fish out of water here. The whole pack line thing - failure here. The demeanor - just not a fit for IU. Then the Covid year that robbed him of a tourney showing. His approach and style just didn’t fit at IU. I wish him well

Here you go again, Academic Olympics, lol -- dismissive! So ok we're just going to disagree here, all good, I don't think there's a need for yet another football school, a mediocre university and mediocre bball program etc., but we've pretty much beaten this horse to death -- peace out

Was kind of wondering…

In all seriousness you could make similar statements about IU. Clemson aint Stanford, lipstick on a pig ….

Yeah and TX is of course a football state, but UT is bigger than TT basketball, though it hasn't been great lately

I’m in TX, have been to games, that’s unusual