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I get it. I think he thought he would take a bigger leap this last season. Not sure why he didn't expand his game. Maybe he doesn't have it in him, maybe he needs a push. I hope he returns to IU, but he doesn't seem the type to try and force a game he doesn't possess for personal gain to the detriment of the team. Kind of a tough spot for a 6'9" guy that wants to play in the NBA, but may not be able to stretch his game to the three point line.

There should be interest, he has skills. But I think the problem are that his primary skills are all near the basket, which is basketball 15 yrs ago. It is pretty simple, to be an NBA player today, he has to expand his game by 5 to 10 ft minimum. Now whether he does that at IU or somewhere else is the big question we are concerned with.

Yeah, I was a little too snarky, my apologies. It inadvertently, came off as directed towards you, that was not my intention. I just disagree strongly with honkeyman that TJD is making a decision by June 1st based "on whether or not a team commits to putting him on their team" three weeks before the draft even happens. TJD is a wonderful college player, but his lack of game outside 15 ft hasn't worked in the NBA for 15-20 yrs. No team is going to commit an NBA roster spot, before the draft, before trades, before TC to the 14tor 15th man on the roster. TJD should be, and likely is, listening to his father and a vast array of NBA insiders they have access to concerning his potential value, if the consensus is he is a top 35 guy, more power to him, but if some singular scout or FO person tells him, "hey we really want you at #35 when no one else tells him he is on their draft board, he would be wise to not put all his eggs in that basket. I think it is all moot, because I don't see him being a guy that teams would feel they need to guarantee a spot to, I guess we will find out soon enough.

Not disparaging BGleas, but Honkyman seems to think that some team may guarantee TJD that they will draft him in the mid thirties and that would be a done deal. Even BGleas qualified the promises as kept "almost always." I would imagine that a team would likely hold true to form if they had the pick, short of a major steal dropping, but no way they don't make another move if it benefits the team because they said they would draft a guy in the second round. Can you imagine a GM saying, "Thanks we really like ________________________ and would totally trade our pick for him if we hadn't promised TJD..." or " So you would like to give us your 1st next season for the 35th pick this season? Well, unfortunately I pinky swore with this one guy and you know pinky swears..." Draft promises for guys in the lottery are one thing but no GM is going to hold a 2nd rnd pick hostage for a fringe player if there are better offers. And if there is one, he won't be a GM for long.

If BGleas says it happens all the time, well then I had no idea we had a poster that had the ear of so many NBA GM's as to know what kind of iron clad, on my mother's grave promises to fringe roster guys are being thrown out there willy nilly. My mistake.

No team is going to do that. If a team tells a middling draft prospect that they are definitely taking him at #35ish and putting him on their NBA roster, 3 weeks before the draft, they are lying to whomever that prospect is. So much will happen between June 1st and the draft and even more on draft night there is no way to make such a guarantee. TJD, especially having a father experienced in the business of the NBA, will be making his decision on well informed approximation of his value, not a single teams "guarantee."

How long before some school offers a high profile player a big dollar NIL to come as a preferred walk on?

So you are equating choosing a school to country of citizenship based on an "offer" is slimy? That argument fails on so many levels 1) Every Olympic athletes is born a citizens of a given country that they are allowed to compete for in the Olympics,they have to actively switch their citizenship to become a citizen of a different country. Unless you believe college athletes should have to compete only for a state school this makes no sense. 2)The Olympics are a contest based on the athletic ability of the countries citizenship, there is no assumption that IU is represented by only Indiana citizens or that UC Santa Barbara are only allowed players from the city of Santa Barbara. 3)Interesting that the offer of money to improve your current situation is somehow slimy, while choosing a school that by education or exposure can contribute to your future ability to improve your situation somehow is a noble pursuit.

Anyone that believes that a coach should be able to make $10M/yr (Bill Self), a university can profit to the count of $50M/yr yet students should be denied the ability to make a legal profit from their years of work and be happy putting in work at near minimum wage to produce the coaches and universities millions is clueless. Yeah the students are the sleazy ones, LTFOL.

If you finalized an multimillion dollar app while at Ball St that you had been working on for years and a tech company wanted to buy it on the condition that you stay in school would you consider that sleazy? Would it be sleazy if you became disenchanted with BSU and wanted to transfer and MIT offered you a huge stipend to bring your talent there? Or would it be sleazy for Ball St to take the app that you had worked on for years and keep all the profit while in you were in school until graduation with the possibility that the app had become obsolete? The powers that be in college athletics have conditioned everyone to think student athletes should be grateful for just getting a free education. Back when coaches were making the equivalent of $150,000 in the 60's and 70's sure, but coach and university compensation has gone up 100 fold with the players getting exactly the same as they did in 1970. Between the 20 hrs/wk of allowable practice and and all the non practice activities, it is estimated they put in around 40hr/wk in season and then 20+ hrs in off season. They are working for the equivalent of around $12/hr as the primary producer of a $50M+ net revenue producing product. There is no company in the United States that has 4 or 5 executives and 13 paid workers with this kind of revenue and salary dynamic.

Seems that these "rules" were being ignored before the ink was even dry. Pack literally told OSU exactly how much he wanted in order to enroll in the university, blowing up the first two bullet points. It will be interesting if they try to add some regulation, typically things tend to open up more as they age, the NIL was like a brinks truck flipping and bursting open on a highway full of college athletes. Some old codger screaming you kids put that money down is going to fall on deaf ears. 11. What is prohibited under the new policy? Subject to state law, the following is prohibited under the new interim policy: • NIL agreement without quid pro quo (e.g., compensation for work not performed). Student-athlete NIL agreements should include the expected NIL deliverables by a student-athlete in exchange for the agreed upon compensation and student-athletes must be compensated only for work actually performed. • NIL compensation contingent upon enrollment at a particular school. For example, institutions should not use NIL arrangements to improperly induce matriculation (e.g., guaranteeing a particular NIL opportunity upon enrollment); • Compensation for athletic participation or achievement. Athletic performance may enhance a student-ath- lete’s NIL value, but athletic performance may not be the “consideration” for NIL compensation. • Institutions providing compensation in exchange for the use of a student-athlete’s name, image or likeness.

I How did John Bon Jovi get into this discussion? And I am pretty sure he has kinda sucked in those celebrity type games, so doubt he could help IU. Am I missing something here?

My apologies. I was unaware you knew what he should be thinking.

Why does that matter? If the goal is to be a pro and he feels his best chance to become a pro is to play in some form of pro basketball then that should be his course. If he feels he can greatly improve his game with CMW and become a mid 1st rnd pick then maybe he picks that path. I imagine a guy like TJD isn't thinking, I likely will fail as a pro so I better have one more year as the BMOC before my life as a failure.

Or they may ask themselves, how do I get better to become an NBA player that I have dreamed of becoming? A)continue to dominate lesser talent in the same college system or B)test myself daily against the best players in the world in the style of play that I will need to ultimately succeed in

TJD's decision come from a different perspective than most having the ability to bend his former pro father's ear. He will get a trusted opinion on the pros and cons. Maybe dad tells him being the BMOC one more year can never be replaced, maybe he says the NBA is grind of a job, or maybe he says grab the NBA chance by the horns. While I would love to have TJD back, I honestly don't see him getting better or improving his draft stock with one more year. I fully expected to see him extend his range under Woodson's offense and he absolutely did not. He still rarely likes to go to his off hand and the dunks he thrives on will not be there against NBA defenders. He is a great college player whose game does not translate well to the NBA.I would gladly eat my words if he came back and expanded his game, it just doesn't seem likely.

I disagree that that was the intent as the the Clemson, Bama, OSU's in FB and the Duke, UNC, UK, KU's of BB have been oligarch rich for decades, I think this was definitely a student athlete move originally, but as a side effect it has been like giving Elon Musk a unlimited perpetual tax exemption for money he had forgotten to report.

I like the opportunity for the player to improve his position, but the fact that the schools that already have infinitely more recruiting resources are now basically allowed to cherry pick players they missed on with NIL money just seems like a soon to be realized end to the Cinderella teams. They are making the small schools like the D league.

This is the sad part of the portal, guys that were keys to their team, were not limited in opportunity or circumstance, are beginning to just jump ship at any potential possibility of the chance of added exposure or promises of NIL $$. Not sure they shouldn't be allowed to, but there is tons of potential bad actors to get involved with the portal and the NIL. This almost seems like the wild west of pharma years back when they would line the pockets of doctors for scripts written for obscenely priced drugs. There needs to be some well thought out regulation of both the portal and the NIL before it makes the 1980's bag man look like a saint in comparison. Maybe 2yr minimum at original school for no sit transfer with coaching change exception. Or possibly no NIL for 1 year after a transfer.

I'm sure there is some kind of discipline that could be meted out that could satisfy everyone. Just spittballing here but how about: Thoughts?

Two words, Jay and Edwards

Very true. Truth be told, back in the early 90's I actually got a reckless driving, driving down Walnut( details redacted for protection of the author ), I was pretty damn smart, in optometry school, and just being stupid. Glad you sanctimonious pearl clutchers weren't in position to piss my life away based on a stupid mistake as a smart yet still not wise young adult. I would bet dime to dollar most are being so ridiculously hypocritical, it's not even funny.

Whether JHS is ready or not should not enter into the punishment equation. And as Woodson demonstrated, as he should have, at NW, he made his decision irrespective of it's immediate impact on the team. I see a lot of running the stadium and a suspension to start the season in his future.

I knew enough about the players from my time their in the late 80's early 90's to know the difference isn't in the players, but more the program and leadership doesn't carry the same gravitas to make the local cops treat these minor infractions more discretely. BK would have known about this situation but the public never would have.

So true. It will get very hard to root for this program if it is filled with speeders, hippie weed smokers, jaywalkers, and sex crazed underage drinkers.They should be more a reflection of the wholesome student body of IU.