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Hoosierfan2017

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  1. Hoosierfan2017

    Coronavirus and Its Impact

    Over the last 7 days, starting July 15th, Indiana has had 10, 8, 8, 3, 5, 10, and 3 deaths. In a state with 6.5 million people. You do not shutdown a state because of numbers like that. People will use catchphrases like "one death is one too many" and "I refuse to die for the DOW," but the reality is that we as a country balance public safety and the economy on a daily basis. If the hospitals were completely overrun and doctors were having to choose who dies and who lives, that's one thing. But that's not the case, and it's especially not the case in Indiana. When Governor Holcomb announced on May 1st that Indiana was reopening, 16% of ICU beds and 7.9% of ventilators were being used by Covid patients. Today, those numbers are 13.5% and 2.9% respectfully. 36.6% of ICU beds and 82.1% of ventilators are available as of today. As long as hospitals maintain the capacity to treat Covid patients, we should allow businesses to remain open to decrease the economic damage as much as we can. 20-29 year olds are now the age group with the most cases. They're also at very low risk of dying from the virus. It is ripping through the younger population because they have decided that they would rather risk the virus than stop living their lives for the next year. Reddit, Facebook, and Twitter are full of people clamoring for another lockdown. I can link threads if you'd like, but not sure what the rules on here are about that. Many people saying "if people would just wear masks we would be done with this already." The reality is that it's just not true. Even countries like China and South Korea continue to fight back potential outbreaks, and they are much more vigilant in combatting the virus.
  2. Hoosierfan2017

    Coronavirus and Its Impact

    Sweden's deaths are high because they didn't do a good enough job protecting nursing homes. Some 70% of their deaths were in nursing homes. For months we were told that economically ruinous lockdowns were the only way we could stop all our hospitals from being overrun and the healthcare system as a whole from collapsing. Sweden shows that that's not true. They didn't shutdown. Their hospitals were not overwhelmed. They never ran out of hospital or ICU beds. And their economy, unsurprisingly, is faring better than every other economy in Europe. The goalposts have been shifted from "flatten the curve so hospitals aren't overrun" to "do everything you possibly can to keep deaths as low as possible until a vaccine comes out." That's not feasible if we still want to have a country left after covid is over. Fewer ICU beds, hospital beds, and ventilators are being used in Indiana by covid patients today than were being used 11.5 weeks ago when Indiana reopened. Yet everywhere I go online I see people want to shut everything back down. The default reaction to bad news always seems to be "lockdown now!"
  3. Hoosierfan2017

    Coronavirus and Its Impact

    Sweden's economy was the least affected in Europe. Their economy fared better than anyone else's in Europe, their deaths are in line with or similar to many other European countries, and their hospitals/ICUs were never overwhelmed. It's impossible not to see Sweden as a resounding success comparatively. https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/sweden-coronavirus-economy-relaxed-lockdown-stronger-rest-of-europe-2020-7-1029415101#
  4. Hoosierfan2017

    Coronavirus and Its Impact

    All you need to make a mask is fabric and a sewing machine. My grandma has made a couple hundred masks since the pandemic started. Heck, you don't even need that. I've seen plenty of people using bandanas. They may have had shortages in stores, but there were other available options for face coverings.
  5. Hoosierfan2017

    Coronavirus and Its Impact

    Our scientists were telling us not to wear masks in March. Dr. Fauci told us there was no need for people to wear masks. Our surgeon general also told us not to wear masks. The mixed messages early on from our public health officials set us back quite a bit.
  6. Hoosierfan2017

    Coronavirus and Its Impact

    So, you acknowledge that scientists get it wrong over and over again, that that's "how science works," but then chastise people for not "believing science." Very little about covid is known right now. It's very reasonable for people to question the science surrounding covid.
  7. Hoosierfan2017

    Coronavirus and Its Impact

    Science isn't a uniform body with black and white, right and wrong, answers on every single issue. Reasonable scientists come to different conclusions on issues all the time. I've noticed that a lot of the people who say "believe science" (not talking about you specifically, just a general comment about things I've noticed) they really mean "believe my science."
  8. Hoosierfan2017

    Coronavirus and Its Impact

    The mask only "literally protects other people" if you actually have the virus. Otherwise, it is useless. Additionally, Los Angeles has had a mask mandate since April and their cases continue to skyrocket. I can't imagine there are a whole lot of people "spouting BS about personal freedom" in deep blue Los Angeles. Maybe, just maybe, the masks don't help as much as people want to believe that they do. I don't like masks because they're incredibly uncomfortable, especially outside in the heat. It has nothing to do with "personal freedom." I'll wear one if I'm in a business that requires it or if I'm visiting elderly relatives. I'm not going to give an employee a hard time if the store requires a mask. But I'm not going to wear one if I'm just hanging out outside, going for a hike, at the park, etc. It's not necessary.
  9. Hoosierfan2017

    Coronavirus and Its Impact

    "If we were to run into the same disease, knowing exactly what we know about it today, I think we would end up doing something in between what Sweden did and what the rest of the world has done," Anders Tegnell, Sweden's state epidemiologist told Swedish radio Wednesday. Tagnell said that, in time, it might become clear which measures, taken elsewhere, could have been effective in Sweden. "Maybe we will find this out now that people have started removing measures, one at a time. And then maybe we will still get some kind of information on what, in addition to what we did, we could do without adopting a total lockdown." https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/03/sweden-coronavirus-strategy-expert-admits-it-could-have-done-better.html Where does the Swedish government "literally disagree with me"? They still maintain that they would not do a full-scale lockdown like the rest of the world if they ran into the same disease today. Sure, more could have done. One can assume Dr. Tegnell largely means that more could have been done in Swedish nursing homes, because that's where the vast majority of Sweden's deaths occurred and they have said multiple times that more could have been done to help the elderly. Locking down the healthy population doesn't do a whole lot to protect the elderly, as seen in states like New York where thousands upon thousands of people in nursing homes have died. Yes, their economy took a hit. That was going to happen regardless because we are in a global pandemic. No country is going to come out of this without taking a hit. What matters is the size of the hit, and their hit is going to be much smaller than ours. Their unemployment rate is at 7.9%, which looks fantastic compared to ours. Additionally, the popular narrative at the beginning of the pandemic was never "minimize the number of deaths at any and all cost." It was "flatten the curve so that hospitals are not overrun and people are not dying because they cannot get medical care." Now, that has changed. If our goal as a society is to minimize the number of deaths at all costs, then there are a number of other things we should do too in every day life.
  10. Hoosierfan2017

    Coronavirus and Its Impact

    The article that you cited states that Sweden's daily deaths are approaching 0 and their daily cases are now 1/6 that of their peak. Their deaths per million is lower than Belgium, Italy, Spain, and the U.K., despite all four having serious lockdowns. Belgium and Sweden have similar populations. Belgium shut down on March 17th, but they fared worse than Sweden. If economically ruinous lockdowns were the only solution to the pandemic, then you'd expect Sweden to have been a complete disaster. Yet, they weren't. Their hospitals were never overrun. They had the capacity to treat all of their covid patients. Their ICUs were never at full capacity. They kept businesses open. They kept schools open. Is that not a success? Locking down is a short-term solution to a long-term problem. A vaccine probably isn't going to be available for another year. Are we going to stay shutdown for the next year? Are we going to do enormous harm to children by keeping them out of school for an entire year because of a virus that statistically is no more dangerous to them than the flu? Because when you reopen, cases are going to grow. 'Flattening the curve' doesn't change the area under the curve. It just spreads out the sick people so they don't all get sick at once.
  11. Hoosierfan2017

    Coronavirus and Its Impact

    It was, but I know how you feel so I'm not going to waste my time arguing with you about it. Any response to Sweden's death curve collapsing despite never shutting down?
  12. Hoosierfan2017

    Coronavirus and Its Impact

    Sweden's deaths have plummeted. The vast majority of their deaths were in nursing homes. Here is their death curve. They never shutdown and yet are in a much better position than the United States. Shutting down was a massive mistake and we are going to face the consequences of it for a long time.
  13. Hoosierfan2017

    IU Football Off-Season

    "College football will not be played this fall, unless they play college football this fall. Then it'll be played. Football!" - Sam Story
  14. Hoosierfan2017

    Coronavirus and Sports Only - PLEASE and THANK YOU

    It won't happen but it'd be cool if we had a full 12 game schedule of conference games this year.
  15. Hoosierfan2017

    Coronavirus and Sports Only - PLEASE and THANK YOU

    They should make Notre Dame a quasi-Big 10 school this year.
  16. Hoosierfan2017

    2019-2020 NBA Thread

    If we're being honest about the facts, the virus poses an incredibly small risk to professional athletes. So many college and pro athletes have tested positive for the virus without even knowing they had it because they didn't have any symptoms. And the NBA bubble is going to be one of the safest places in the country. Oladipo isn't sitting out because of the virus. He plans to travel to the bubble and be around his teammates. He's just worried about getting injured. I can't say I blame him. He just came back from a tough injury and the Pacers aren't contenders this season. No reason to risk it.
  17. Hoosierfan2017

    IUBB - 2020 Off-Season News

    It'll always be the hper to me no matter the name. Cool of them to do though.
  18. Hoosierfan2017

    IUBB - 2020 Off-Season News

    The many Justin Smith stories over the past few years have rubbed me the wrong way. Can't say I'm sad to see that circus leave town.
  19. Hoosierfan2017

    Coronavirus and Its Impact

    Bye bye to their students. I definitely wouldn't waste an entire semester of college on online classes, especially if I was an incoming freshman. And then there's tuition which is another matter.
  20. Hoosierfan2017

    Coronavirus and Its Impact

    Just wait two more weeks
  21. Hoosierfan2017

    Coronavirus and Its Impact

    I've been craving some late-night half-price apps at Applebee's (I have expensive taste obviously) but I'll probably wait a bit. I really just want gyms to open up. I was able to snag a treadmill when things shutdown but not any weights.
  22. Hoosierfan2017

    Coronavirus and Its Impact

    Yeah, I'm not sure that opening restaurants is the best idea, but I'm glad that at least they aren't allowed to open until the 11th. They will have some time to figure out how to safely reopen.
  23. Hoosierfan2017

    Coronavirus and Its Impact

    What are your thoughts on retail? I personally don't see a problem with it. Folks have been packing into target and Walmart for the last 6 weeks. This won't be much different. If anything it could reduce crowding because everyone won't be packed into the same 2-3 stores. I think opening them before restaurants makes sense.
  24. Hoosierfan2017

    Coronavirus and Its Impact

    Governor Holcomb's plan sounds very reasonable and data driven to me. Glad to see a plan to move forward and get to a "new normal."
  25. Hoosierfan2017

    Coronavirus and Its Impact

    Are we really justifying government officials trying to ban people from accessing their own private property? While their governor did that, she left the lottery open, because, ya know, can't cut off that government revenue source.
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