Hoosierfan2017

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Same conference record as Chris Collins despite all the advantages IU has over northwestern in basketball. Mediocre Mike - doing less with more. He’d find a way to get blown out of the second round of the ncaa tournament with the New York Knicks.

Let’s keep it simple for you. Say Mike Woodson leads IU to a 7 seed and a loss in the second round. Should that result in him being fired?

Instead, you’ll be in here yelling at all the people saying Fire Woodson like you have been for the past 3+ months. Like I said, set the expectations low enough that even Mike Woodson can meet them. There’s no reason the expectations shouldn’t be higher than what the 2022/2023 team did.

The expectations the pumpers are putting out do not align with how they’re characterizing this off-season, I.e., that Woodson did so awesome and knocked it our of the park. The expectations should be a 1, 2, or, at worst, a 3 seed. They don’t want to set the expectations too high, though, because they know Woodson isn’t a good enough coach to meet high expectations. So, they temper them so they can then turn around and advocate for keeping Woodson next year because hey, he set the mediocre expectations we set.

Yeah, my IU basketball experience has been the post-Knight s***show. Lucky me. The Bob Knight comments are just stupid. First, he wasn’t dumb enough to attack his own fanbase. Second, he sure as hell wouldn’t say that he did his job after a season as disastrous as last season. Third, he won 4 conference titles in his first five seasons at IU. He lost 10 conference games total in his first five seasons. Mike Woodson lost 10 conference games last year alone. Bad personalities are much more tolerable when they’re exceptional at their jobs. Mediocre Mike hasn't won anything other than his four offseason championships.

Through their first three seasons Archie was at .561 and Woodson was at .612. Going into year four Woodson got his rich buddies to buy him a team. Archie didn’t have that luxury. Im not even arguing that Archie was a better coach, but let’s not pretend that they were coaching under the same circumstances. IU was at a big disadvantage pre-NIL/transfer portal because our administration wouldn’t let the coaching staff go into the gray area. Archie, and the coaches before him, were fighting an uphill battle in recruiting. Now IU is at a big advantage with NIL. Woodson only winning 61% of his games and 51.7% of his conference games with all the advantages he now has as the IU coach shows how bad of a coach he is.

He’s probably better than Archie, but he does have two big advantages that no other IU coach has had. What would Woodson look like without the transfer portal and NIL? He’s sitting at 31-29 in the Big 10 with it. Without it, he’d likely be a total disaster given his halfhearted recruiting efforts.

How would you describe him then? Look up Ricky Davis. His career numbers are very similar to Woodson’s. A little worse of a player, but certainly a better comparison than Scottie Pippen lmao. 14/2.3/2.3 on 52.2% TS for Woodson, 13.5/3.5/3.3 on 52.5% TS for Davis. 15.0 PER and -0.3 BPM for Woodson, 14.7 PER and -0.8 for Davis. .083 ws/48 for Woodson, .061 for Davis. Woodson played around 50 more games in his career than Davis. 11 seasons for Woodson, 12 for Davis. Does calling Ricky Davis a mediocre player offend anyone?

The initial post, which I wrote, said that he was a mediocre NBA player. He averaged 14 ppg on below average efficiency for his career. Wasn’t much of a passer or a rebounder. No accolades of any kind. Won 7.7% of his playoff games as a player. And yes, I also later called him a journeyman. I stand by that. He played for six teams in eleven seasons. Stayed in one place longer than two seasons only once. And this whole conversation started in response to a post that speculated that Mike Woodson feels that he has the track record to support his arrogance based off his nba career. As I’ve said multiple times now, nothing in his nba career warrants the arrogance he’s displayed. He was a role player and then a mediocre at best coach.

All three of his seasons have been disappointing. The first ended with a 29 point loss in the round of 64. The second ended with a 16 point loss in the round of 32. The third ended with a 27 point loss in the BTT. How will the fourth end?

He missed the tournament with the most ‘stars’ in the conference. Pretty epic indeed.

You’re the one bringing up Mike Woodson scoring 48 points in a game as proof of his almighty greatness. That was the only 40 point game of his nba career. You seem offended by folks thinking Woodson wasn’t a great nba player. You also repeatedly talk about “3rd highest winning percentage in the past 60 years!” as if it’s supposed to mean literally anything. Great, Mike Woodson snuck by some crappy out of conference teams. He’s 31-29 in the Big 10, which has been very mediocre during his time at IU. That’s worse than Bob Knight, worse than Mike Davis, and worse than Kelvin Sampson. It’s also worse than Tom Crean’s last seven seasons at IU, and far worse than his last six seasons. So, Mike Woodson has a better Big 10 record than Archie Miller. Better lock him up with a lifetime contract.

The only person throwing a temper tantrum here is you. Notable future hall of famer Malachi Flynn scored 50 points in a game this season, so looks like you’re right.

That’s fine. You don’t have to care about how he acts. Some of us do care about the way the head coach of our favorite college team behaves. Why does that bother you so much? We don’t all have to agree with you.

My career is doing just fine, but thank you so much for your concern :) Mike Woodson played 11 seasons, not 14 seasons, and he only played 15 games his last season. Please tell us what he did during those 11 seasons to warrant the arrogance he’s displayed over the past year as IU’s coach. He was a journeyman player, he was a journeyman coach, but he walks around like he was LeBron on the court and Phil Jackson on the sideline.

Career PER of 15.0, which is the league average. Below average career TS%, negative career BPM. 1-12 career playoff record as a player. 0 all-star teams, 0 accolades of any kind as a professional player. Was he a bad nba player? No. But this was the initial post that started the conversation: ”I think a large part of the disconnect is that Woodson feels like he does have that track record - based on his playing career and NBA coaching resume. That's why he bristles when fans or local media question him.” Mike Woodson’s nba career was unremarkable and so was his nba coaching career. Absolutely nothing in his nba career warrants the arrogance he’s displayed during his IU coaching tenure.

His winning percentage is slightly better than the other post-Knight duds, better throw him a victory party for his one ncaa tournament win. He’s 31-29 in what has been a very mediocre Big 10. If anything, your statistic just shows that IU basketball was Bob Knight and without him we’re just another average P5 program.

He probably does feel that way, but he was mediocre as an nba player and an nba coach too. Won 46% of his games and won three playoff rounds in nine seasons. He was there a long time, but nothing about his time in the nba was remarkable. Certainly not remarkable enough to warrant the way he acts. But you’d think he’s a HOFer with the way he acts.

Fans don’t need to be personally affected to have opinions on the character Mike Woodson has demonstrated over the past year.

Did people consider Bob Knight a “better person” because he won? Or did they put up with his character flaws because he won? I was 6 years old when he was fired. But yes, your head coach being a d*** is easier to stomach when he’s really good at his job. Absent a 180 personality-wise, though, I don’t envision myself becoming a true fan of Mike Woodson.

Did Bob Knight regularly take shots at the fan base? And Mike Woodson has Bob Knight-level arrogance while delivering Tom Allen results.

I mean, what you’re describing really isn’t arrogance. Mike Woodson acting like he’s above answering very basic interview questions or treating others within IU athletics dismissively isn’t “bulletproof self belief,” it’s just him being a d***.

Mike Woodson’s personality/character was on full display last season. That, combined with the reports of how he treats others within IU athletics, is certainly enough to make someone not a Mike Woodson true fan. But, to each their own.

That’s really the worst case scenario (and also the most likely scenario). He does enough to keep his job given the University’s very low standards but not enough to satisfy anyone other than his most loyal disciples.