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its not about being right Imo the long term plan was vonleh here 1 or maybe 2 years and Fischer recruited to be a 4 year guy to cover the programs butt if vonleh left early. I think the staff and fan base was stunned when he left after semester I know i was I thought he would of been a force down low in his sophomore and junior year. Since fischer left in early 2014 (3 and half years earlier then expected) they were scrambling after the 2014 season. To this day I feel fischer leaving the program was the biggest disappointment of last years team. Losing a top 100 guy who was supposed to be your big for seasons to come midseason leaves you with limited options in the late signing period when most of the top recruits had already committed. Now asking why the recruits we were after in that late period didnt want to come here (clark mich st , yante maten Georgia and cunningham Bradley ) which left us with priller and April that could be an interesting discussion. Awesome discussion old friend

lyles decommitted after his freshman year in high school lol. They still had 3 years to fill his spot. Priller and april signed after we lost in BTT last year. They haven't even been in the program a year yet. A little different situation if u ask me

not sure vonleh was an oh crap get. They had plenty of time to recruit him and beat out some heavy hitters to get him. Priller and april on the other hand were recruited(a total of maybe a month) after fischer and vonleh left. I'm sure I wasn't the only one here that when they committed say who (in the movie major league Indians fans voice) who the blank r these guys. I was on the site waiting for updates during vonlehs visit and was going crazy when he committed I just disagree he was a last second option

not a bad oh crap we need a tall guy to get I would think I believe he was a top 10 prospect

he might of been a 1 year rental but he was the rental the staff recruited hard after trey decided to decommit. When they first recruited noah after trey decommitted he was still a 2014 prospect it was during the process that he switched to 2013 ( which should of been a sign he was only here for 1 year)

it would be hard for me to pick bo lower then 4th since he hasn't finished lower then 4th since he has been at Wisky For me until he finishes lower I will always put them top 4 in the B1G

agree with most but april and priller were not backup plans to lyles decommiting, vonleh and fischer was the backup plans for that. I think priller and april was the backup plan for losing vonleh and fischer

when I use the "20" years argument Ive said regardless of who was coaching we have been mediocre for the past 20 so that would include the present coach.

they may count the same to fans but to players and to coaches I'm sure it means more to win it outright compared to sharing it with 5 other teams

if the end result ends in Stevens coaching in Bloomington in a couple years instead of making a change now for a different coach then yes I will stick out a couple more years (20 and counting) of the current product for 20 plus years of Stevens. A gamble I'm willing to take but lucky for you it's not my call

im not saying he is good enough just pointing out Iu has bigger problems then replacing the coach

for a fan base that expects final fours and making deep runs in the tournament and in the last 20 some years we have had one Cinderella run in 2002 and after that our best result was 2 sweet 16 appearances back to back with a mediocre coach I would say that is exactly a program problem. Bad coaching hires are part of the overall program. Imo until the administration decides it wants to be a blue blood program again it dosent matter who is coaching

so u stated he wasn't trained what do u expect from someone with no training ( sarcasm) Seems to me he is on par with the coaches that have coached the last 20 years. Choking down the stretch, failing to make nit and losing in early rounds of ncaa tournament. I'm not saying I want him as coach but some people need to wake up and acknowledge we have a program problem not just a coaching problem

he won an outright big ten title without being trained?( I know credit to players only) Kudos for him I guess. Could u imagine if someone actually trained him to coach

if Stevens or Donavan were available (next year or year after) and had interest would you be opposed to a coaching change?

it would seem the administration has been looking small time for the last 20 years since regardless of who has coached at Iu we have been mediocre. Hopefully someone besides people posting on a message will look at the bigger picture soon because 20 more years of the same results is not going to be pretty.

because in a single elimination tournament anything can happen. March madness is the greatest sporting event in my opinion but it doesn't always crown the best team as champion. The nba champion is always the best team in the nba because their champion is decided by a 7 game series

and I want Iu to be a powerhouse again and I don't care who gets us back to that level ( as long as it's clean). Crean, Marshall, Donavan. That's just my opinion. if u want to watch the Iu 87 championship tourney run ( in color instead of black and white) let me know I have all 6 games on vhs tape

how far have they fallen in your 22 years? Early 90's was the last consistent stretch this program had. In your 22 years our program is much more comparable to ND and Gonzaga then it would be to kentucky, kansas, North Carolina or even your dukies. That's a tough pill to swallow. I'm 37 and remember Iu being on their level. For our younger fans (and older) I hope we can get back to that level because college basketball is better when indiana is a powerhouse. Hopefully someone can get us back to constant success sooner rather then later

or he is in his 20's and he has never experienced Iu being the mighty.

i would pick Izzo if I had a choice but both are on an entirely different level then anyone else coaching in the B1G

what do you think would happen if we get the impact hire and the results remain the same? If that ever happened........ On second thought lets not think about that

when you are a pre season top 10 team

not when you are a preseason top 10 team and picked near the top of the big 12 ( finished 8-10) and finish 20-14

I wouldn't say they are misused statistics. It's data that shows regardless of who has coached here the past 20 years, the program is mediocre. Whether it's at the tail end of one coaches tenure or at the beginning of another coaches tenure the results speak for themselves. In the late 90's we were finishing middle of the pack in big 10 (11 teams) and presently we finished middle of the pack ( 14 teams) I hear people ask when did indiana start accepting mediocrity. To me it would seem people accepted it in the late 90's.