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That was a weird interview. She referred to her own son as "Zimm" several times and said she loves the way Sean (Miller) coaches and she's always thought he was "gangster".    Just odd things coming from a mother IMO.   

The one thing he has to prove, after all those things you mentioned, is that he's a winner. A guy like Jameer Nelson (similar size) had those things too, but what made him a first rounder was an undefeated senior regular season. A guy like Mateen Cleaves had many of those things (not as athletic, or as much of a scorer), but what made him a first rounder was his leadership/winning. Same with guys like Napier, Kemba Walker, Felton, Ty Lawson, etc.

I've always said that was Coach K's best job, though the NCAA was woefully down that year in terms of talent. But the point is, that's one of the only examples.

Not asking you to do it, but I'd be interested in knowing the last time Coach K, Roy Williams, Cal, etc. have gotten to the Sweet Sixteen without lottery or at least first round picks? I don't mean that as support for Crean, it would just be interesting. I can't remember the last time those coaches didn't have first round, or even lottery picks on their rosters.

No worries, I wasn't addressing you specifically, but there were a few comments acting as if they assumed Crean hadn't already done this.

I'd be shocked if there's any truth to that tweet.

Why are people assuming Crean hasn't had similar talks with the team multiple times? Glass himself said Crean spoke to the team for 30 minutes the Friday of Halloween about being safe and looking out for each other. Ever heard of brining in a different voice for your players, students, kids, etc.?

I thought Kepner and I were having a good discussion? Seems like the topic is relevant to the thread, no?

You said being looked down upon for not drinking was new. That's not new. On the tweet/text/video shouldn't that make people more careful, if anything?

That's also not a new thing.

Partying and spending Monday talking about how much you drank over the weekend is not new to college kids these days. That's been going on for 20, 30, 40+ years. That's not new at all, or unique to the current college society. I went to school in the late 90's and that's all we talked about after the weekend too. If anything the current social media/24 hour news cycle should make current college athletes even more careful.

Agree, I'm not looking for Yogi to miss a game winner in the tournament. As for Craft, nobody hits them all, while I couldn't stand him, he certainly led OSU to a lot of wins in his time there.

For me, it's not even about stats. It's about pace, it's about control, it's about leadership. I want IU to be in a close game and have the feeling that there's no way we're losing because we have the best point guard on the floor. Yogi won't let us lose. He'll make sure we get a good shot when we need it. I want to see that "it" factor you see with great guards in college. Kemba Walker had it, Siva had it, the pg from Wisconsin a few years ago, Fredette, Napier, Reynolds, Kalin Lucas, Craft, etc. As an upperclassmen, McDonald's AA point guard that's a junior, I want to see Yogi look like the game is constantly puddly in his hands. I can't fathom having a player like Yogi Ferrell and missing the tournament two years in a row. As far as the NBA, I think Yogi should be a 4-year player. IMO he'd have to be CPOY, have a Trey Burke like year, to be in the first round this year.

I don't think it would happen, but an absolute dream would be Blackmon getting feedback that he needs to be a point in the NBA and he stays a 3rd year to be without Yogi for a year. A Steph Curry like junior year for JBJ. We can dream, right?

I'll say 2 years. He has the talent, but he's an NBA tweener which will hurt his stock. He could be one and done, and I'm usually for guys leaving if they're ready, but I think it would be a mistake for JBJ to leave after 1 year.

In terms of judging Crean, I'm actually more concerned with how we do in conference this year. I'd be more impressed with a 3rd place finish and round of 32 loss, than I would be with a 6-7th place finish and a sweet sixteen run. Showing you can coach would be getting this team to win at MSU, at Minny, at Iowa, etc, not necessarily getting hot in one game in the round of 32.

http://www.insidethehall.com/2014/11/05/hulls-iu-players-must-hold-accountable/

https://mobile.twitter.com/VicOladipo/status/530057523228073985

I disagree. My recollection is Gordon was having a great year until he injured his wrist, and then of course the Sampson ordeal didn't help anyone. IU was on course to win the conference and be a Final Four contender, with Gordon leading the team in scoring.

Billy Donavan would be awesome. I'm not sure why being from Indiana or playing at IU is relevant. When's the last time Indiana had a coach that was from here or played here (not including interim coaches)?

I agree with you on the point that Crean rarely takes blame after games, I don't like that either. I think that's weak, and I don't think it sets a good example for players or motivates them at all. He has taken some of the blame this week though, if you're going to say he hasn't then you're either not paying attention or your lying because you hate him so much. I think you know he has, but you're jaded you refuse to look at anything concerning Crean objectively. He certainly deserves some of the blame, and he has accepted that. Will he change? That remains to be seen. In general, he doesn't have leaders right now. He had leaders two years ago, so was he better leader himself then based on your theory that he doesn't have leaders now because he's a poor leader? I don't know about you, but as a fan I expected Yogi to be a much better natural leader. I'm not not sure why he isn't, and I wouldn't really blame Crean for Yogi not being a better leader. I mean he's a point guard, he got to play/ learn from Hulls, Cody, VO, etc., everything was setup for him to be the next leader.

I'm a Stevens fan, though I agree with what you said. He's like a cult like figure at this point. On your other question, while I think a lot of good coaches would be interested in IU, your question about a title winning coach just isn't realistic. Coach K isn't leaving Duke, Cal (not that we'd want him) isnt leaving UK, Ollie isn't leaving UConn for a college program, Self isn't leaving Kansas, etc.

I don't think you'd see a ton of player defections. Recruits? Probably, but a new coach would bring recruits with him too. It all depends on who the guy is. I'm not necessarily advocating for a change, but as part of this discussion I don't think it would be that big of a set back, depending on who the hire was. I definitely agree that many in the fan base completely undersell the 2013 Conference Title. That was a major accomplishment. Disagree on Stevens. While I can't guarantee he'd be the next great coach at IU, nobody can, he obviously got a ton of accolades at Butler, but he also is at the NBA. NBA folks seem to be extremely impressed with Stevens too.

That's an impossible question to answer, since we don't know the candidates. But if we did make a move, the new coach would be taking over a much better positioned program than what Crean took over. So, why would you think the right coach couldn't win a conference title? This isn't taking over Northwestern or Penn State.

How would you know if coaches were lining up? It's not like you're going to hear candidates publicly say "hey if Crean gets fired, I'll take it". We have no idea who would or wouldn't be interested.