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I could be wrong, but I think in many of these cases it’s Archie who has turned his attention elsewhere. I think Archie is expecting 3 in the Fall and is all in on TJD and Brooks to finish the class. I don’t want to sound like a homer, but I really don’t think all these guys IU showed interest to in the Spring and early summer weren’t interested, I think things narrowed for IU’s staff coming out of the summer, especially as TJD and Brooks became much more possible.

Absolutely! I meant that to be included in the all-encompassing "entire Sampson debacle". Self-reporting and working with the NCAA against yourself is the dumbest thing you can do, and of course, IU did it.

It's like Indiana has set the blueprint for how to horribly screw these things up. First, the Knight firing and then subsequently letting the players hire the next coach instead of going out and getting the best coach for the job, and then the entire Sampson debacle from start to finish.

Love this show. Finished season 2 a few days ago.

To be fair and accurate, Crean landed two top 100 recruits (Watford was top 50, Creek was very close to 50) and 4 total top 150 recruits in the 2009 class (the equivalent to the 2018 class for Mack in terms of timing of his hire/first class).

Read this yesterday, just unbelievable story. Definitely worth the read!

I’d argue we have a greater need for a scoring/shooting guard in this class, which is why I’d rather have Bouknight or Newman. Assuming Romeo leaves, we’ll need another shooter. Between Phinisee, Green and Durham, the ball handling/pg duties will be covered.

Great article, really interesting look on what it takes to make it in the NBA. Great example with Nigel Williams-Goss as a guy who is probably a better pure basketball than maybe 10% of the NBA, if not more, but the issue isn’t talent, it’s role. There’s no role for him on a team. The article doesn’t mention him, but Jimmer Ferdette recently talked about not making it in the NBA. Fredette is certainly an extremely talented basketball player. He’s probably better than say Yogi, but Yogi has learned/can play off the ball in an offense. Jimmer couldn’t adjust to playing off the ball, and while he’s a heck of an offensive player with the ball in his hands, you’re not handing your offense to him, so he’s not in the league. All of the guys mentioned above (Williams-Goss, Fredette, Yogi, and more) are probably way more talented than Andre Roberson. The difference is Roberson has prototypical NBA wing size and is perfectly happy playing defense and rebounding, and hardly ever shooting, so he’s a starter on a play-off team and two of the three guys mentioned above aren’t even in the league. Really interesting stuff IMO.

Wait, they’ve been offered? Hadn’t heard.

TJD, Brooks and Newman are I’m sure welcome to commit now if they want.

That's a good one too!

Saw that too, wanted to get it in before he officially declared (hopefully).

Absolutely, you have to be able to shoot and handle. My post was more just a general comment, not advocating for Morgan being ready for the NBA.

Without putting much thought to it, I’d say the Huerter kid from Maryland. Imagine he and Langford on the wings with Smith and Morgan at the forward spots, we’d be unguardable.

I think there are a lot of guys playing PF (if that’s even really thing anymore) at that size. I’m watching the WCF right now and the tallest guy on the court for either team is Kevin Durant. I really he’s about 6’11” but he’s basically a shooting guard. Houston’s tallest guy the last 7-8 minutes of the half was Trevor Ariza.

I’m not sure. Like I said, the rules probably changed from 20 years ago, but when I played the coaches were not allowed in the gym if the team was playing pickup in the Fall/Spring. They were “voluntary” sessions technically, but the coach could not be in the gym with us playing. His office was right down the hall and he’d make up reasons to walk through each day and take a quasi attendance, but otherwise he couldn’t be in there or film them. We were allowed to have small group sessions in the Spring and Fall with the coach, but not team workouts. He would ask various players who was playing well, who wasn’t, etc. every day, but he couldn’t watch Again, the rules may have, and probably most likely have, changed.

Absolutely appreciate the info, and not trying to give you a hard time. Yes, these open gyms do happen all time, probably almost daily, and I’m doubting the info at all that many of the freshmen have been there for some runs with the team. I do doubt that there was any time of “walk through” that involved an actual lineup or the coaching staff. If there was, it was probably player driven just to teach some of the newer guys a set or two for the open gym. Unless the rules have changed, which is entirely possible as it’s been 20 years since I played, the coaches are not allowed in the gym for these open gym/pick up game sessions.

Not sure why there would be a walk through in May, or if it’s even within the rules for the coaches to be involved with something like that with the entire team this time of year? Not trying to give the poster a hard time, just seems unlikely. If it did happen, I fall into the category that doubts we start three freshmen, especially all in the backcourt, and also not sure if a walkthrough in May would really be any inidication of what the lineup might be in October/Nov.

Yeah, Fitzner is going to play. Might be 15 minutes, might be 20 minutes, but he didn't come here to sit the bench.

Some things on these workouts. They are much more important than the combine, so I’ll agree with RealIU there, in that Juwan having a bunch of workouts is good news for him as it’s a real chance to get face time with these organizations, get noticed and get feedback. It’s one of the best ways to get a summer league invite, etc. With that said, teams usually have 4-6 guys per workout. I believe there’s a limit but can’t remember the number. Typically teams have 2-3 guys they’re serious about drafting or at least learning more about up close in each workout, then the other 3-4 guys are filler to make it a complete workout. If you’re one of the filler guys, it doesn’t mean they don’t care or aren’t watching you, or that it’s not an opportunity for you to get noticed, it’s just that you were mostly invited to round out the workout. I’m also not suggesting the teams call them up and actually say, “hey we need some fillers, want to swing by and workout?” My guess is that Juwan is mostly a filler guy in these workouts. Again, not a bad thing for him at all, and it doesn’t mean he can’t draw some eye balls, get great feedback, or even get a summer league invite out of it, etc.

Completely agree, just wanted to hear where RealIU was on it or what he’s has to say on it.

Curious what his NBA option is? He's not getting drafted and I doubt he'd get a 2-way contract. Teams want to get a closer look at tons of players that will never sniff the NBA.

I don’t see any reason this kid can’t have a season similar to what Max B has his year at IU.

It has backfired on some coaches, but that also doesn't mean it's a good policy.

I still hate that they allow college coaches to coach these camps/teams filled with the top recruits in the country.