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I will be extremely surprised if Galloway's minutes go down next year. I see very few plausible scenarios where that happens. He was one of our most important players last season. There was a reason he was often in our closing lineups and a reason things went south when he was injured. I tend to think his talents are best suited in a 6th man role, but I also think it's more likely he starts than his minutes go down. He's so important to what IU does and I think having JHS along with XJ actually helps him.

It's a mixed bag at worst probably. Zeller's freshmen year IU went to the Sweet Sixteen Yogi's freshmen year IU won the Big Ten and went to the Sweet Sixteen Vonleh's freshmen year team clearly wasn't very good JBJ's freshmen year IU went to the tournament Bryant's freshmen year IU won the Big Ten and went to the Sweet Sixteen Then you have Langford and TJD, though wasn't TJD the Covid year where IU would have made the tournament if it wasn't canceled? So you have 5 tournament apperances (counting TJD's year), 3 Sweet Sixteen's, and two Big Ten Titles out of those 7 seasons. Given IU's recent history that's actually pretty good!

I hear what you're saying, but not sure about the comments on freshmen, especially JHS. I don't see why we wouldn't count on JHS as a contributor? Outside of Kristian Lander, every 5* recruit IU has had over the last decade+ has been an immediate contributor/starter from day 1. Zeller Yogi Vonleh JBJ Bryant Langford TJD All 5*'s, several ranked right around where JHS is ranked and all immediate, day 1 starters and contributors.

Spot on. Draft guarantees are not given out willy nilly.

All good, thanks! On your point though, that's exactly how it happens. Again, I agree he doesn't have any guarantee now, it's way too early, but if we're approaching the deadline (I think 6/1l and he still hasn't pulled out of the draft then my assumption will be he either has a guarantee or his agent is working the channels to get one. It tells me at least one team he's worked out for is expressing enough interest that he's at least not ready to pull out yet. Again, not today or even the next week, but if he's still in as the deadline approaches. I think if TJD ultimately stays in the draft then he either has a late 1st round or high 2nd round guarantee or at least enough interest/intel that he's extremely confident he'll go in that range.

I mean, there's not an ironclad rule book. I also don't think it's often where you're seeing guarantees at the like pick 53. It's generally in the first round into the first 5-10 picks of the 2nd round. Have teams made a guarantee and then backed out? Sure, it's happened, but for the most part teams stick to it. GM's are playing the long game for the most part. They have relationships to maintain with players and agents, etc. For example, these players quite often share agents. So while ticking off a player like TJD by guaranteeing him at pick 28 and then not taking him might not seem like a big deal, but what if TJD shares an agent with an upcoming free agent on your team that you want to resign? What if TJD shares an agent with a couple free agents that you're getting ready to target when free agency opens in the week or two after the draft? The NBA is a small world and getting a reputation as someone that doesn't negotiate in good faith is not something GM's want.

I don't claim to know everything or have all the answers, far from from it. But between the two of us, I'm am the one that has literally been in the draft war room multiple times with an NBA team and attended numerous pre-draft workouts. Doesn't make me right, but I'm comfortable with my experience on this topic. Not sure why you felt the need to be so aggressive or condescending?

At the 60th pick you're probably better off going undrafted. I don't TJD is staying in the draft if 60th is the best he can do.

I agree that it is too early in the process, as we haven't had the combine yet and pre-draft workouts are just beginning to get scheduled, so it's very early in the process. With that said, NBA teams give draft promises fairly often and almost always stick to them. It's very bad form in the NBA for a team to get a reputation for not following through on draft promises.

Yup, especially if he rides his decision out right up until the deadline. If he does that, then it tells me he's fishing for a promise from a team, which happens all of the time in the NBA.

Right. Kopp and Stewart losing minutes the last few games was because Galloway and Phinisee were back. Had nothing to do with Geronimo.

Even crazier!

Would be absolutely shocked if this happened, but man it would be fun to see Izzo's head explode if it did.

I'll go with the white team winning that one, since you're running a 3-bigs lineup on the red team :)

Well documented that I don't believe JG is a wing, but I'm done with that debate, can't take an entire offseason of that. With that said, JG is not getting wing minutes over Galloway. I'm not saying Kopp is what we need either, I just wouldn't think Kopp would stay if Bates, Galloway and JG are all hoping him in the lineup.

I'm 43. If I had his earnings today I would retire. I don't mean sit home and watch Judge Judy all day, but definitely would not be working for anyone else. I'd be in complete control of my time and the type of things (work included) that I spend it on.

Hey, make him a wing! Just having some fun guys :)

I would be interested in your analysis that makes you think JG is a good perimeter defender? I've had this conversation several times with @btownqb and we can both speak on exactly where he struggles and why he isn't as of now.

Like I said earlier, in most cases I don't even subscribe to the idea of a "2" anymore. You have guards and wings and quite often they're even interchangeable. Galloway is a wing who's strengths lie in creating offense, handling and passing. He's getting better at getting to the rim as well and finishing. If he can just get to a 33-35% 3pt shooter on low volume he'll been really dangerous.

Agree with all of that. That's something I'm very excited about for next season...multiple guys on the court that can handle and create offense. There are reasons IU played best last season when Galloway and in particular both Galloway and Phinisee were available. Not having them was the primary reason for the difficulties in February and getting them back was a big reason for the postseason success.

Agree. I'm a Galloway fan!

Appreciate the data, thanks! Basically, Galloway is not a primary ball handler and is almost exclusively on the court with a true point guard.

So Reneau is replacing JG, Durr and potentially TJD in the forward/big rotation? So our forward/bigs would be Race, Reneau, Duncomb, Banks and maybe TJD? And our perimeter (guards/wings) players would be XJ, JHS, Galloway, Bates, Kopp, JG, Leal, Gunn and potentially Davis/McNeil?

You can consider Galloway in the ball handler rotation, but outside of the NW game I'm pretty sure he always played with at least XJ or Phinisee on the court with him. So he's a wing. Let's simplify it even more. Backcourt (guards and wings)/front court (forwards/bigs). The backcourt/wing guys are: XJ JHS Bates Galloway Kopp Gunn Leal (Recruiting at least one more) Frontcourt: TJD Race JG Reneau Banks Duncomb (Recruiting no more additions and maybe losing TJD) By the way, I look forward to having this debate again next offseason over Banks :) (all in good fun). Edit: Also, if JG is a wing shouldn't that one slot that we're recruiting be his and we should be recruiting another forward/big to replace that role?

But if that is how the staff is viewing it, which i don't think they are, why are they recruiting 2 more wings right now and not a replacement 4 for JG's role there? The staff is/has shown you what they think with their actions by only ever playing him at the wing in a game where half the team was suspended (again, on a team that desperately needed better wing play), and continuing to recruit wings and not bigs. At least to this point, the staff has shown no indication with their actions that they're trying to move JG to the wing. Just to be clear, I'm a JG fan. I think he has the opportunity to be a great small/stretch 4 at this level. He literally just got comfortable in that role, which he is clearly best suited for, and now want to push him somewhere else?