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The thing with Franklin would be that every other in-state kid has not only come back but emphatically announced they want to be part of bringing IU back to where it belongs. Franklin leaving to go to a rival on the backdrop of TJD's passionate announcement, Lander specifically saying he wants to help bring IU back, and Leal and Galloway both saying they love IU and never thought of leaving, would not be a good look for Franklin. It would be one thing if several guys were leaving, but to be one of the the only guys and the only in-state guy, and to go to a rival, would be really awkward.

Yeah, im not advocating for a slow pace by any means. I hated our pace. I spent many a game screaming at the TV for Phinisee to pick it up. It was maddening how he'd walk the ball up the court and then stop over half court and just stand there for 5-8 seconds before starting anything. It will be interesting to see how that plays out under Woodson.

Could be. Maybe they discussed controlling pace in practice and then all of the sudden during the game Archie is screaming to run so it was confusing.

This is the puzzling part to me too. I'm not defending Archie's offense or pace, but with that said there were numerous times the last few seasons where Phinisee would walk the ball up as slow as possible while Archie screamed and waved his arms frantically to get him to push the pace.

Maybe that's not whats really happening.

That's just squarely perception of opposing fans on Danny Ainge, not the reality. He wouldn't have lasted this long as a GM with one team if that was accurate. Hes widely respected in the NBA among players, coaches, and other GM's. I find it funny when fans present this image of Ainge. On one hand opposing fans call him a snake who other teams don't trust, then on the other hand they call him "Trader Danny" because he trades so much. It can't be both. Read this article from just a couple months ago that are anonymous quotes from other GM's on what it's really like to deal with Danny. This is the reality. Most GM's like dealing with the Celtics. https://www.celticsblog.com/platform/amp/2021/1/19/22237956/what-is-it-really-like-to-talk-trades-with-danny-ainge-boston-celtics

We're all oversimplying things. There's nobody on this message board that was in the room with Stevens, Ainge, Wyc, or Dolson on IU's side. None of us know exactly what happened. With that said, knowing a bit about how the Celtics operate, and how these things work, I'm absolutely confident that if Brad Stevens wanted to be IU's coach, he would be IU's coach. The Celtics aren't going to play some game where they ruin his career or threaten his future NBA prospects, beyond owning his rights and getting compensation if he returned to the NBA. IMO, the most plausible scenario is that he really just wanted to stay in Boston and stay in the NBA. The next most plausible scenario is he had interest but he and the Celtics wanted him to finish this season in the NBA and IU didn't want to wait. I'm as confident as I can be that there wasn't a scenario where Stevens wanted the IU job and the Celtics somehow forced him to stay against his wishes.

I'm not questioning you, I believe you were told that of course, but I still don't believe that happened. The Celtics can't prevent him from resigning and going to coach at a different level. As @pumpfake said, I believe they would still hold his NBA rights. Maybe that is what they were unwilling to give up? That I could believe, though that shouldn't stop Stevens from taking the IU job. If he ever came back to the NBA his team could just negotiate a 2nd round pick or something.

Thats not something Ainge would say to him. Ainge and Wyc (the owner) don't operate that way, and they love and respect Stevens too much.

I would be really surprised. I don’t think NBA teams typically do those kind of clauses like colleges do, because they have agreed upon rules that teams can't poach coaches from each other. I just don't believe that if Stevens really wanted the IU job that the Celtics could prevent it, and even if they could that they would prevent. I don’t believe that.

That can't be accurate. Stevens could resign. Boston can't stop him from coaching in college, only for another NBA team.

Just looked up Woodson's NBA playing career and have to admit that I didn't remember him being as good as he way. For some reason I just remembered a fairly nondescript career, but for about 7 years he averaged around 15-18ppg. That's impressive.

I dont think you keep an assistant for one player, but Stewart would be great to keep and Hunter could be a good recruiter. I guess we'll see.

I think Parker Stewart is an important player to retain. I know we didn't see him play this year, but in the proper NBA system and development, a Lander, Franklin, Stewart backcourt can compete right away.

Alabama is 11-for-23 at the free throw line.

I'm sure he doesn't care, just wondering what he was expecting. He had to have had an expectation.

I'm not saying he should care. But he would still have an expectation on how he felt this would be received.

I really wonder what reaction Dolson was expecting from both fans and media? Did he think the "IU guy" thing would win the day, or I wonder if he expected some mixed reactions at best and he would have to sell this.

Matta won't be able to recruit or coach, even in practice, in his role.

He kind of already is home. He's from Michigan, not Indiana.

What doesn't make sense is why not just hire Fife? Fife doesn't need to learn from Woodson or be a "coach in waiting" for Woodson. Woodson doesn't have any college experience.

To add to that, the Celtics are currently the 7th seed in the East, but are just 1 game out of the 4th seed (which is Charlotte and Ball is out the rest of the season), with their next 7 games at home. It will be key to get Tristian Thompson and Evan Fournier out of the Covid protocols soon, but the Celtics are in decent shape to solidify things. Not saying a title run or anything, but they'll be solidly in the playoffs.

Agree. IMO Musselman, Beard or Oats can come in and recruit against the Big Ten from the day they arrive. Not saying they'd dominate, but they are on even footing. I know Moser is a Midwest guy and probably has connections, but this summer/fall if he's the IU coach and recruiting head-to-head against Izzo, Painter, Holtman, Howard, etc., where does he rank in those battles? Probably at the bottom.

Even when Crean was here too. Both he and Archie would press after it was too late to cut a 14 point loss to an 8 point loss so we could clap at the end and feel good about it.

That's why I said rational Celtics fans, not Celtics Twitter. But again, it's not going to end for Brad unless he leaves on his own. Wyc and Danny love him. He's not getting fired, at least not now or anytime soon.