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Appreciate the info! Yeah, definitely something to promote assuming our guys are making more than what players are making at other schools.

Is $38K good though? I don't know, I'm genuinely asking the question. I'd say IU should let recruits know, but maybe not if players at UK, MSU, OSU, Michigan, Duke, KU, etc., have made $200K at this point. We know the kid Pack at Miami has made $400K (i think $800K over 2 years was his deal).

Completely agree! I'm a big Zeller fan too, but not sure he's hit more than a handful of shots outside the paint in 9 years in the NBA.

I actually don't get all the talk about Crean not using Zeller right? How was he supposed to use him that he didn't? Zeller is an extremely athletic big man that can't shoot and doesn't really have above average post moves. Crean built a fast-paced offense that utilized Zeller's end-to-end speed, athleticism and bball IQ. We often gave Zeller the ball at the top of the key to break down bigger, more plodding bigs and used his IQ with surrounding with shooters, etc. The guy averaged 15.6ppg as a freshmen and over 16ppg as a sophomore on a team that had another All-American on it.

He's also probably the one guy, at least postbthe NC State game in the BIG/ACC Challenge his freshmen year that if he was playing i thought we had a chance against anyone in the country.

Completely agree. Zeller was dominant from the second he stepped foot on campus. Not sure why people tend to minimize it or forget it? I think maybe part of it is just that he only stayed 2 years, where a guy like Yogi and even TJD now stayed 4 years. I also think what plays into that is we wanted Zeller to be our sort of Tyler Hansbrough or someone similar. Someone that stayed even when he could have left. I really think that is part of it. But regardless, I still think Zeller is the most important, best, whatever you want to call it, player/recruit since the Crean era started.

Yeah, I think those things go hand in hand. Without as much room for true centers in the NBA, more are staying in college. Its a weird dynamic because it just makes the difference between NBA and college that much wider.

Before Game 1 of the Finals the other night, Adam Silver discussed changing to the All-NBA Team to better reflect positionless basketball. So, they could be getting rid of the positional requirements soon.

There's just stuff that is better kept in-house. He's kind of painted himself and Woodson into a corner a bit. Again, I don’t disagree with him, I just think it mistake to air that stuff publicly. He can make all those points crystal clear in the locker room. His wording publicly was not great IMO.

Then they've both kind of put themselves in a zero tolerance policy situation. We've seen that movie play out before. Again, not disagreeing with him, just no need to make this stuff public. Potentially does more harm than good.

Agree. Love that he's back and love that he's taking ownership of the program and team, etc. Love that! With that said, some things are meant to stay in-house, and I think yesterday was actually a misstep by TJD. If I'm a teammate or even Woodson, I'm kind of looking at him sideways today. He kind of put Woodson in a bit of a bind as well with his comments on what suspensions should be.

I would argue that TJD is partially, if not mostly, responsible for creating the drama. I agree with his stance on the things he said about NW and some of the drug stuff, but there was absolutely no reason to make that public. Again to be crystal clear, I agree with most of what he said, but I think it was a misstep in leadership to make all of that public. I agree with you that fans and the program have moved on from the NW debacle, but in fairness TJD is the one who brought it back up, not Phinisee, Lander, Stewart or Durr.

I'm going to leave it at this and then do my best to stay out of any JG debates the rest of the offseason. I hope he makes a leap this offseason. He has a lot to work on, but also a lot of potential. I think Race wore down at the end of last season, so JG improving so that Woodson can better balance their minutes ( say something like 60/40) so Race stays fresh and JG can grow would be great for the team, program and both Race and JG.

I'm out, not gonna debate it like this. Enjoy!

Stop it HH, I am not being misleading. That's ridiculous for you to say that, and I'm not going out of my way to be dismissive. JG has a lot of potential and his growth will be great for him, the team and the program. With that said, I'm also not going to overhype him on what was really a spotty, up and down season.

Yeah, it's a technicality. I get it, but I was going by Race's 7.5 rpg.

Yeah, I'm not trying to be in a position to rain of JG's parade or position it that I don’t like him. He has good potential and his improvement absolutely helps the team. I'm also just not ready to anoint him a starting wing when he's never played the position or say he should be starting ahead of Race Thompson. I know JG had some strong moments the last 2 games, but at the same time he scored in double figures 4 times all season and they were pretty spread out, it wasn't like some run the last 2-3 weeks where everything clicked. From the New Year on he has as many 0 point games as he did double-digit games.

I like Jordan Geronimo, I'm glad he stayed and am excited to see his continued development next season. With that said, it's like "The legend of Jordan Geronimo" the way some fans are hyping him up. I get Race had a tough last week or 2 of the season, but I'm not sure how anyone can say JG brings more to the table at this point? Race Thompson averaged 11ppg and 7.5rpg for a full season last year. Jordan Geronimo in two years has had one game in his career where he's done that and it was against Merrimack.

Yeah, not sure what the rules are there. For current NBA players (see Al Horford this week) they just need to produce 2 negative tests and they can come back. Assuming (not sure though) it's the same for TJD and he can get two negatives, he'd still have time to do the small group workouts with teams. Obviously a lot of assumptions there, not clue what TJD's specific situation is.

It's certainly not great for him of course, and I agree that he'll most likely be back. With that said, the small group team workouts are way more important than the combine, so as long as he gets cleared and his agent can load up his schedule with those, he still will have the opportunity to impress some teams.

Yeah, it means he's at least on the radar for teams, but not sure it necessarily means much more than that.

Yup, we need all of those things. We also need guards/wings that can play with pace and force pace when the timing is right and Galloway is arguably our best guy at that. Galloway, with his defense, ball handing and aggressiveness is probably our best player at creating easy baskets in transition, which is something IU really needs. Part of improving shooting is getting better, easier shots and Galloway helps with that with his penetration, passing and ability to push the pace.

Yup! I get that we're all desperate for shooting after the last 5-6 years, but Galloway is a guy with a unique skill set and that skill set only gets increasingly valuable with more talent/shooting around him. I'm not saying Galloway is an NBA player, and these guys play different positions but stylistically think of him as a Draymond Green or Rajon Rondo type. You don't bench those guys because you need shooting, you surround them with better shooters and their value and impact soars. Before someone tries to claim I'm saying Galloway is an NBA All-Star, clearly without a doubt that is not what I'm saying. I'm saying Galloway has a unique skill set that few others on the team bring and it only gets better with increased talent and shooting around him.

Great points! I'm not sure why people think Galloway and Bates are an either/or thing. We lost Stewart, Phinisee and Lander from the backcourt/wing minutes. I'd expect Kopp's 25mpg to go down and how much that goes down should go to Bates. Boom, Bates just got his minutes increases, assuming he can make big leaps in defense, effort, decision making, shooting, ball handling, etc. JHS's minutes come from Stewart's 24.4 mpg. So right there we just increased Bates' minutes and got JHS his minutes and we haven't touched Galloway's or the left over minutes from Phinisee and Lander leaving. It's pretty glaringly easy to see how at worst Galloway's minutes will stay the same, especially given that he probably has the most unique skill set of that group.

I will be really, really surprised if you're not disappointed then. It was crystal clear that IU was better last year, for the most part, when Trey Galloway was playing 20ish mpg.