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I don’t think they are working hard to trash the program. In fact, had Woodson hit with DQ, LM and Boogie I think the board sentiment would be much different. But he did not hit. I think it just shows that the vision/expectations he had for recruiting missed in a big way and will probably sink him. But to suggest he is trying to sink it seems to be a stretch.

People will laugh I am sure but he has excelled everywhere except Vandy. Maybe it was too early? Maybe he could not get upper level recruits to play as hard as needed. Not sure but if you could augment any coaching weaknesses with a strong staff, his age and reputation in the state are probably strong advantages for him.

I worry more about our administration baggage more than any ncaa baggage he may have.

Even if he does not really contribute next year, I hope he can stay healthy. Guys like him and Cupps could be keys for us in 2 years and if we don’t recruit HS kids, can hopefully be pieces for the next staff.

Maybe in years where we are coming off a good season they would not need to but given our current situation I think MR letting us know he was going to return was needed info.

Yeah hopefully this gets some traction in the media. I heard DD bring this up about 10-15 years ago and if KathyC has any legitimacy she said the same. Hopefully Crean brings it up again next time on TV.

Just saw a replay of Iowa State during a TO and they have a defensive coach give instruction on D things, then an offensive coach steps in to coach on things to do on offense. Apparently they even have one coach who focuses on spacing. Interesting set up.

It will be interesting to see how the staff builds next years team. If they indeed bring in a new starting center then I don’t think we land 2 big time guards. If you can have one legit starting guard would you rather have a lights out shooter and let Gallo play point, a PG who is an average shooter and shift Gallo to a cutting off guard position?

Just about everything done by the staff/team that looks like a repeat of this year is going to generate legitimate criticism. If we start to see something that might being hope for a better outcome then criticism will slow.

I think there could be better players in the portal but if MR would have chose to leave and I was a portal kid thinking of Indiana I would be less interested if their better players left. At least with MR you know what his weaknesses are. Portal guys all we see are scoring highlights and numbers. Now, I do share concerns that the inability to see the double team coming and pass out of it may remain a big issue. If he fixes that and we get shooters to pass to, things could work nicely

To be clearer. MR said he would do some NBA evaluation it seems fully to be information gathering for him. Right after talking about that he said but I will be back at IU. As for MM, MR did sort of indicate that MM would probably be back unless he gets some news from the NBA evaluation

Yeah MR seemed to indicate MR would check the NBA evaluations but it seems more of an information gathering process for him.

MR sort of alluded to his return if he doesn’t get any NBA traction

Was surprised he didn’t list that as his favorite place to eat.

I agree. He would be a top talent in the portal. We already know him and he apparently does not hate playing here. Does he need to become a smarter defender, absolutely. But he is a solid get and IF Woody blew all his $ on his returning players he won’t have any left for new kids and that will be him.

Well we don’t know he would be willing to come off the bench. If he were willing to come and compete for minutes whether starting or supporting he would be a nice fit it seems.

Never saw AT. That would have been something. Scott May would play some. I remember driving on him once thinking dude I am going to score on Scott May. He clearly fouled me.

Worked with Lynn at the HT. He even played a little basketball over at the Y at lunch with us.

Definitely. My Dorm team won our division championship in basketball and my big-red relay won as well. But until now you guys probably never realized how much of an athlete I was. I mean am.

Still could not get in. Did they address how Woodson himself said they fell short last year? Or about how he stated his goal was to win the BT and national titles? He isn’t progressing towards winning BT and national titles. Especially with no recruits yet.

It was behind a paywall but I tried. I am pretty objective and you can see that the program is on shaky grounds. The year 3 collapse would be more tolerable if we had some promising H.S. recruits coming in. The staff could build a team strong enough to get into the NCAAs next year if a lot of things go our way, but then what? Woodys age and the lack of H.S. kids coming creates a lot of reasonable concerns for the short, medium and long term health of the program

You seem mighty frustrated. So college basketball IS the real world and you know because you played? I would assume you would have had to play very recently given how NIL has changed the recruiting dynamic. When did you play

Wonder how those guys feel about us. I know woody said we have better relationships going into the portal. I assume those are agents.

I would think we need to land someone early just for momentum but hopefully we are targeting kids that are still playing

My prior company was a long-time corporate sponsor through the Crean/Archie years. They did a good job of getting us access and creating things for us to bring customers to but customer interest really fell off during that time period. I was the point person for that and got some cool access but in the end I had to pull the plug. For the same $ we could sponsor the Colts and even with their up and down performance I had far more customer interest in them than IU. I would have to think it is even harder now for them to keep sponsors.