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In some ways the wins make it worse. Shows what was possible. F - fiery hot seat Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

[quote name="mdn82" post="48766" timestamp="1395018564"]That was the best news of the night. [/quote] Sounds like she thinks we r done @DocLibby: In disbelief on the no bid to NIT. Yogi tried to explain it to me but it still sucks. On to the 14~15 season. #iubb #transitionyear Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

When you bring in recruits that have been low 5 and high 4 star recruits for the better part of their junior and senior years you expect them to give more than what we have seen of the 12 class. Low 4 star high 3 star recruits maybe they start to be tough their junior year but when you can get a top ten class you expect results earlier. This year we saw two from this class get suspended and miss several games. We saw their minutes drop during the middle and latter part of the year. One guy, who is a great guy, cannot even get healthy enough to play. The best player was a McD player and has played a lot for us. He is a very key player for us and it is nice having him. This 12 class is way behind where their rankings suggest they should be. Sure rankings can be wrong but isn't that what we all lauded Crean for being able to do? Find diamonds in the ruff? Look past rankings and find talent? Of the five kids in that class only one is getting it done. Hanner had some "moments" this year but down the stretch when we needed wins, when Noah was not playing well or much, Hanner did not give us much. With a class of 5 or more you cannot hit on only 20%. That is too big a class and too important to sustaining the progress. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

Regarding Alford, if you consider all his coaching jobs Iowa is the out lighter. Made Manchester a big winner, took SW Missouri state to sweet sixteen and had them good for a couple of years. Rebuilt the Lobos Each place, besides Iowa, he has improved the teams and gotten them to the tourney. Has done well in his conference tourney, even at Iowa. I do think he could be considered if he continues to build UCLA into what we expected of Crean here. The bigger drawbacks are the Pierce issue and is he an upgrade from Crean. Pierce is hard to justify and I will not try other than to simply talk with him about it now and then decide on that. Is he an upgrade to Crean, right now it would be an uncertainty but there are reasons to suggest he could be (if you less at Iowa and look more at the other programs). Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

[quote name="Rayl" post="48090" timestamp="1394938904"]Fischer was the 76th RSCI recruit. That is non-impact level until a junior, at least. Fischer leaving is hardly an excuse or the reason for our anticipated problems next season.[/quote] Excuses beginning early. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

[quote name="djsalway" post="48060" timestamp="1394937174"]Hate the negativity here lately. Just sayin'.[/quote] Hate the losing as well. We would be singing kumbuya if we were winning. Well most would be. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

[quote name="mdn82" post="47943" timestamp="1394927543"]I agree it should never be a main consideration. It was an add in for me. My main reasoning for retaining him this year is due to who is available, and the cost to make that change. I just don't think you pay over $10 million to get a guy out of here if a top 5 coach is available. Especially, when there is an extreme likelihood there isn't anyone better than Crean. They may coach better than him, but they can't recruit like him (Woodson). They may recruit like him, but can't coach like him (Pastner). Woodson would be solid in Indiana, but the days of locking down the state are over. You have to be able to recruit outside of the state. I think if we make a move this year, we will again in 3 years. [/quote] I do not disagree about maybe doing this again in 3 years. I think Woody would recruit Indiana well but he would probably need help to get some of the out of state guys as you mention. That would likely not be missed on those involved if we noticed it. Ever wonder if the reason this may happen this year is because it might be easier now? I would be disappointed being just a marginal NCAA team next year but if we are that I think he is safe another 3 years or so. I suspect there is some boosters that recognize an opportunity now and would rather pay more than wait. I also suspect that this donor base wants an IU guy. Most on here would want the best guy available but if money moves now then they likely call the shots. We can debate it here, and probably should, but some of these boosters have been more involved than us and I am comfortable to some extent with that. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

I know Blackman has his eyes set on the NBA. Woody has been an NBA coach a long time. Woody did a very good job in Atlanta, granted New York is a mess. He still maintains a strong presence in Indy. I am not sure if Bill Smith, his coach at Broad Ripple is still alive but often when Mike was back in town coaching Bill as well as a lot of family and friends came to games. Not just random will call tickets but the returns often included some time spent together. Why does this matter, Bill Smith was highly respected in the Indy area HS circles. Mike would be an attractive guy to many HS coaches in the area. Is he the guy we want, I have no idea but he is very intriguing. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

[quote name="bhoosier06" post="47917" timestamp="1394925997"]Get over it people... We had a bad year. Time to move on. It's almost spring and the weather will soon be warm. So take your anti depressants and grow a pair. Everyone is acting like self entitled children. It is hard to consistently win in college ball, now more than ever. It takes everyone going in the same direction. The iu fan base has probably done more damage to recruiting this week than ever. Chill out. The world is still spinning. Not really. So say we have a potential recruit considering IU. If he is also considering OSU, do you think that Matta is not using our futility this year against us? You think he is not also showing Creans record in the last quarter of the year to recruits? You could argue that allowing mediocrity to continue instead of making a change is more damaging. Anyone who is getting all antsy on this either way needs to, as you say, grow a pair and let it play out. If Crean stays he has enough talent on the team to do better next year even if we do not get the two recruits we are looking to add to the class. Neither will solve our problems is Noah leaves and we are not hurting for wings. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners[/quote] Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

[quote name="mdn82" post="47897" timestamp="1394921963"]No, but if another coach was brought in, the expectations after that buyout would be even more unfair. I don't think any coach gets a free pass. I am 31. I am not naive to the history of this team. I am saying, a new coach comes and makes the tournament. He bows out in the first round, and people will point to that buyout. They will point to that and want the next coach. To me it is funny, because you can't just hit the reset button every year. Lets also be real. If Crean leaves, then it is more than likely we are starting from close to scratch again. Troy (East Coast with Nike ties), Stan (Good friend of Troy and East Coast ties), Noah (NBA), JB2 (Would not come here if Crean is gone)… Beyond that you have normal transfers. With a new coach, you will see people expecting something next year without talent. [/quote] This is always a weak excuse for not changing coaches. I know it was more of an add on for you and not your primary one. When you make a coaching change you certainly consider this and generally the new coach recruits the holdovers and freshman to be. You do not always get them all but every year this same situation exists so it cannot be a factor in making the change. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

[quote name="mdn82" post="47333" timestamp="1394763764"]This is why I like how Adam Silver has openly said he wants the NCAA in on their next negotiations, but wants in on some of their policies. They should work together. If the NCAA is strong, it becomes a pipeline of more rounded talent. The NBA will say that is their reasoning, but it is simple. The one and done rule has made it so fan bases can't become attached to a player like a Vic. A 3 year player who improved and became something special. Now more IU fans watch Magic games than ever before. It is free advertising for the NBA, with a built in interest for your favorite players. ESPN hypes college games as much if not more than the NBA at times. This would be good for both. [/quote] How has the one and done rule impacted Vic? I would love to see something that, if they go to college they are here two years at least. Just not sure what the connection is to a 3 year guy like Vic. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

[quote name="ellen.walden" post="45605" timestamp="1394285887"]There was an article that stated Noah's mother wanted him to come to IU not just because they are a blue-blood basketball school but because of the emphasis of education that Coach puts on his players. I think he will stay until he gets his degree because it is important to his mother. This is also where I respect Yogi's mom on her views and how she has stressed to him the importance of getting his education because you never know how long you will be playing in the NBA. It does come down to those multi-million contracts. I think he stays.[/quote] I saw a different article right after he committed that talked about how IU helps get kids ready for the next level (NBA) and that was very appealing to him. He is going to school so he can excel in his chosen profession - the NBA. He will leave when it is the most advantageous to do so not because he has a degree. He can get the degree any time. In fact, I would argue it would be better for him to get his degree later when he can pour as much passion into that as he does now for basketball. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

The fan rumblings start and are often representative of the alumni rumblings. Here it is a mixed bag. Seems most who are dissatisfied are not expecting him to be fired this year. This is the precursor and can be forgotten about if he can get us back into a place where we are competing each year for the BT crown (do that and we are likely national contenders often too). We underperformed this year. In the NCAA and BT tourneys last year. No room to underperform next year. That is what these rumblings really mean. Sure some are freaking out and expect a change but most are simply looking for the seat warming switch. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

I like our uniforms and like no names and like candi striped warm ups and guess what, I am not being recruited. Keep the unis if you can but if you have to change I am not going to throw a fit. We changed our uniforms before. Trunks got longer and tops got tighter. I think the right coach can sell what we have to most kids but if that is not the case or an if an obstacle then respectfully do what other top programs are doing. A lot of people did not like the "thug" look the baggy shorts suggested and yet we changed our shorts because it really was not a big deal. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

If you are a breakfast guy, the village deli is awesome. Paxton potatoes and pancakes. <br /><br />Are in the executive MBA program?<br /><br /><br />Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

When the Fab Five brought the long trunks we did not resist and had longer trunks the next year. [attachment=523:ImageUploadedByBtownBanners1394155801.245669.jpg]<br /><br /><br />Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

The thing is we have changes uniforms look back at the 87 team and tell me the shorts today are the same ones they wore back then<br /><br /><br />Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

Didn't Louisville just offer too. <br /><br /><br />Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

So many take criticism for lack of support. Lack of support is really more apathy than criticism. If criticism is lack of support and we are supposed to always support our team then by that definition we could never complain. <br /><br /><br />Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

I was spot on with this until I remembered Crean has increased his recruitment for 2014 and two mediums in particular lately. Could be they are for Lukes spot but his interest lately has been on two guys who look more like what Noah played last night. A more 3/4 role than a 5. <br /><br /><br />Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

<br />I think that is crazy. If someone values a IU degree more than capitalizing on his God given and personally developed skills he would be crazy. Crazy. The NBA window is not that long for most who enter. That opportunity is short so if he has a chance now go. Then in a few years if you want to get a degree you may have more life under your belt to know what to study. I miss the 4 year guys but with the lure of the NBA and the one and done rule, few of the best will stay long enough to get the degree initially. <br /><br /><br />Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

How many games did he miss the year he was injured? Seems like he missed 3-4 games due to weather this year too though those might be made up. <br /><br /><br />Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

So which is bigger? Winning the Big Ten outright last year for the first time in what 20 years? Or coming in last in the BT (other than when we played baseball players a few years back) for the first time in an even longer period of time. Yeah we are not last right now so this is hypothetical. I would argue that as good as last year was, if we were to come in last that would be a far bigger issue. <br /><br /><br />Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

I am confident, ok 80% confident, that Crean made some comment about Vic and the NBA near the beginning if the season last year. It became a taking pint on the message boards. His comment was based on what Vic does in practices and what the scouts who attend those practices were saying. If my memory is correct then this is revisionist thinking. Cody going pro was obvious. <br /><br /><br />Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

<br />Yay go guys you are not last. If it were a two team conference, us vs Illinois, we would win the BT outright. <br /><br /><br />Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners