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A lot of second round picks do not make NBA rosters. So just because he is projected to go second round all that really does is give him a chance to walk on the stage and a small chance to make a team. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

Actually we are the team that makes too many comebacks. Would rather see us start games better though. Luck has what 8 fourth quarter comebacks in 2 years. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

He posted on the 247 site about 3 hours ago. Some of the posters there poked fun at him because he had made his selection the same day as JM so it is possible he is just following. I just think he would share some of the optimism we have being an Indiana insider but apparently not. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

Alex McCarthy said... (original post) Morgan told me he's announcing Wednesday, likely between Vanderbilt and IU, but I still expect it to be Vanderbilt, as we've put on the Crystal Ball. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

I wonder if, assuming he does not know anything for certain, that this might stem from that. Sort of similar, we led for Morgan and have recruited him a long time. Hopefully we can close it out. I am a little more concerned that the Inside Indiana insider also CBd for Vandy and reiterated those thoughts tonight Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

Didn't JM kinda go against us when we started missing on guys like Pinson and Goodluck? I kinda remember him commenting about something going on at Indiana. We had led for several guys then lost in the end and he commented on it. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

Yeah. That is not the end all but a little concerned we have had no picks go our way this weekend Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

I don't think this is true. I doubt most guys that have been critical of Crean are very good with signing Morgan. Morgan was a guy we targeted early, is a four star and is listed as a PF. If he comes in and is slow to develop initially like HP was then yeah people may get impatient but that has more to do with our desire to win. Crean needs both immediate contributors and guys than can develop over time. If Morgan is a develop over time guy that is fine but being a 4* kid you would assume he should be further ahead and can contribute in year 1. I would have more of a problem if we lose yet another guy we have targeted and prioritized. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

"Kind of like IU recently". Mike Davis had 6 years and were trending downward big time his last two. Sampson came in as a cheater and still cheated here. He also brought in kids that did not fit the IU standard. Crean is in year 6. We have not been a program that quickly turns over coaches unless you think we should have given Sampson more time. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

Is PT really something another program can offer that we cannot? We have a need for guys who can compete down low. The way Crean substitutes you know he will get time. I do not understand how PT could be a realistic factor for us. Now had it been two years ago I would see it but we had no postseason play last year. We are considered by many to be a mid to lower team in the BT this year. We have not added any high end bigs yet. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

We should be top 25 without a legitimate big and could be top ten if we had a stud in there. We should be top 25 regardless due to out talent but I am fearful we do lot get there. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

Why not top 25? Four top 20 classes in a row? Great developer of wings (we have more wings that BW3). Great eye for talent. Two McD's. All these point to a top 25 team. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

This cow is dead time to move on Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

Maybe the metric conversion works in his favor. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

I was surprised our current class was ranked in the top 20. So I think that gives us 3 or 4 top 10 classes and another top 20 we should be strong this year. Sure we lost 3 guys to the NBA and one big transferred unexpectedly but that is such a small amount of the kids from these 4 or perhaps 5 classes. So we have several consecutive years with recruiting classes ranked high. We have a coach who is great at finding the diamonds in the rough. This means the kids that are not ranked high are sometimes steals and thus our actual class strength/rank should be even higher. Plus we have a coach that is great at developing talent. So even with the top guys leaving, we should be fine because Crean can take unheralded guys and develop them. Something does not add up. The last third of the 2013 season and the 2014 season were terrible considering all this. I am hopeful we just had a few bad eggs and am expecting a top five finish in the BT. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

Not trying to sound doubtful but how much have you seen him play with the team? I presume that is the basis of the claim. It would be good if he can push in practice and give us perhaps 10-15 mins a game. Great for anything over that. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

[quote name="All_Hoosiers" post="79841" timestamp="1408672709"]To be fair, I'll go ahead and trust the guys actually paid to evaluate his talent. But yeah interesting perspective. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners[/quote] I would love to see Him really exceed. In fact I would prefer a coach who can take average talent and develop them vs a coach who only exceeds with top talent. That said, the paid scouts ranked him low didn't they? Combined with the collection of offers from low mid majors the paid coaches were not willing to bet on him yet either. There were some suggestions that a year at prep school and he would likely be a big time recruit but it is hard to argue he is that now. With our limited depth in the middle there will be opportunities for him. I am hopeful he uses this year to improve and instead of blowing up at a prep school lets just have him do that here. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

[quote name="shortspacequickness" post="79661" timestamp="1408591212"]Crazy how the NBA developments impact how some look at Coach... if you keep Cody or Victor, and Noah this year that's 3 straight years in the top five/ten...[/quote] To be fair Crean is compared to other coaches at Big programs. Those coaches also lose kids to the NBA and transfer. Sure we would have been incredible had Cody, Vic and Noah stayed longer but that is hardly exclusive to Indiana. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

[quote name="Basketball4iU" post="79246" timestamp="1408384254"]confirmed workouts daily 3 days..Norris Cole stated In the gym[/quote] Who is involved from IU? Crean, other coaches J'Ney? Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

Good numbers at the nationals but my trepidation is related to the other programs pursuing him vs me not knowing about him. You would think those numbers would have gotten some others attention as well. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

Do we know they are here to work with Crean? I saw one national guy mention Crean and them being here but I just wondered. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

Glen Allen is an area I travel to for work often and seems a really nice area. Just north of Richmond where Carmel would be in Indy. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

[quote name="Jon Robling" post="79148" timestamp="1408324549"]Most coaches never stop recruiting, and nobody said that he's an Impact Talent. Holt would be a guy that adds depth at a position that IU desperately needs help at. We've got one scholarship to use, and Crean hates to keep schollies in his pocket, so he's trying to use it on a player that very well could help IU down low since that is by far our biggest weak link. But you are right, bringing in a player right when school is starting is very rare. I can't think of a player added this late, maybe ever. I know that Michael Hermon, who played on the 94 team was a very late addition, he was a guard out of the Chicago area, and he only lasted one year at IU, but the one similarity between Michael Hermon, if you've ever heard of him, and Emmitt Holt is they both are players that filled/fill a position of need. In 1994 IU had no athleticism at point guard and nobody that could create off of the bounce so Coach Knight took a flyer on a kid that was a playground legend out of the Chicago area. Fast Forward 20 years and now IU has basically 4 points per game returning down low between Hanner and Devin, and un proven 7 foot project in Jeremiah April. Why not bring in a kid at a position of need, who was a finalist for the New York State Mr. Basketball with your last scholly if he's available? I'm just glad that Coach Crean never stops from trying to improve his roster.[/quote] Some insiders suggested our over signed position had a negative impact on our ability to land Gary Harris. Similar situation. We add Remy late the year before and then Gary become the over sign. If signing a marginal 14 player negatively impacts 15 why do it. Even if it does not turn off a kid it does limit the kids we can sign in 15 during the early period. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

I would have felt better had Carlton had their best player and head coach. We did not have HP so there is some balance but would have preferred a win with those guys included. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

[quote name="jurkinonthecourt" post="79044" timestamp="1408252357"]I'm definitely in the sunshine pumper category as well. My opinion is that there is no point being negative about a passion you have. Being an IUBB fan is nothing more than a passion/hobby in my life, I don't need to let it become a negative influence. It's something that excites me and entertains me. There are plenty of more important things in life to bring me down. Sent from my place of advanced, analytical thinking: the toilet.[/quote] So we could miss the tournament for the next 3 years and you stay positive? Not saying it will happen but using your description it sounds like you are saying you would never question things like do we have the right coach. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners