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You said. "he's an AAU hype/athlete. He can't play the game" You have had a little over a year to evaluate him and you have decided this. Yet when folks who criticize Crean who has coached for 15 years and has a pretty long track record you are quick to defend. It is OK to support Crean to the end if you want to but I think you ought to demonstrate you same loyalty to the players. The players he recruited and who after all are just learning to be young men.

Fair enough. Still we have given Crean 6 years and many are willing to give him this year to prove himself but you have given up on Troy in a little more than a year.

True but the Davis and Sampson hires we conducted poorly. Do those properly and you likely get better results. The Crean hire was limited because the team wanted someone who had been to a FF. That seems like a good idea but it may have limited some up and comers.

So no one wanted Troy? This was known to everyone? I am not sure I am following you. You have been defending Crean today but then you make a comment about how inept he is yourself.

When was the last time a non five star big was a factor at Indiana. Two 6'8" guys which when reading their bios suggest a small forward and a power forward. It would be good to have now but I do not see much from them that suggest immediate help. I am all for developing players but Crean has no evidence he can develop a non five star center to be more than a role player. Since we have no 5 star prospects next year there is no evidence from Creans history here that we will be able to manage the middle.

I do not know. The point is there are too many people afraid of the change convinced we will have to take someone terrible and be bad for 5 years after the change. There were people interested the last few times. So we do not like (Cal and Rick) and some we would like - Izzo.

Izzo would likely not come now but he was very interested before. Kravitz alluded to this for years but recently stated that he still has emails from Izzo to Kravitz asking for his help in landing the IU job. Yeah Kravitz is not my favorite sports guy but I believe this. Izzo only backed off because Crean was a contender/finalist at that point. Don't think Izzo will come this time either but there are people out there with high pedigrees who are very interested.

I do not really want Shaka but I do not think he is long for VCU. Every time he flirts with another school he agrees to stay in exchange for some new perk. To his credit a lot of the perks have been pay for assistants and facilities. I was in Richmond this summer when he was a candidate somewhere and the sport radio talk were getting mixed reviews. A lot of the fans were tiring of this on his part and the passion to keep him is less than before. Sport radio talk is not equiv to fact and logic but it is representative of some portion of the fan base which is representative of the board who annually keeps working to keep him happy.

it seems to me we do not put any pressure on the opposing teams offense. Whether in zone or man we play a lot of contain. It seems Stan and Yogi are the only ones who can apply pressure though they often do not. With the athletes we often recruit it seems strange that we are not stronger on D. Was it last year or Vic's last year when we finally had a highly rated D? If last year what did we do differently?

It's Lamar. They should get some advantage. They are being paid to come here for a beating. It is Lamar. I actually hope the kid is a tough matchup so we continue to get tested.

If they are "reading" the thread they cannot be KY fans. Now if we had pictures.

Interesting idea. I strongly suspect the reason for that is based on how the staff seems to prefer to over recruit every year and we do have periods where a lot of kids transfer that are not getting time. So it is not so much us running them off but an acceptance that this seems to be what happens here. I would love to see this staff take a few mid ranked bigs and develop them over the years.

I agree. This has been a pet peeve back to the Cody-Vic team. We were often up 20+ and you look at the clock and realize that will around 3 mins to go we still have most of the starters in. Loved seeing him go away from this the last game and hoped he was going to stop but tonight we see it again. Yeah I know, running sets are important but the starters rarely seem as focused on this when up a ton and the bench needs minutes.

They are pretty recent things aren't they? Show Cause issues. I thought some other coach was recently hired who still had some show cause time left but cannot remember who.

Salvaged is a better description and yet it is still early. Rob and James are very good and I liked what Max can develop into if he works hard off the court. Really we may see Priller and Aprils flaws more against good competition but I would live to see us take those guys and become the skill that can develop 3 star bigs into legitimate bigs. If Emmit can be like Devin then all the better.

Preference on a guy like Dino would be for him to have been a HC somewhere longer but man he has had two quick turn arounds already

Yeah IF we were to make a change I would favor the highly successful MAC level coach or a sweater wearing guy with a manageable (hopefully) show cause thing. The MAC level guys would recruit about the same level just up a little notch. The sweater guy is said to like red.

When RMK was fired I was glad to have Davis take over as interim. After a few years I was definitely ready to let Davis go. I used to get so tired of his promises and lack of enthusiasm for IUs history and tradition. The article by Whitlock (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=whitlock/060216) helped fuel my dissatisfaction for Davis. That being said, I would hate for Indiana fans to boo or show disrespect in any manner. As someone else in this thread shared, our reception of him will show more about who we are than who he is/was. The article where Davis talked positively about Indiana was a great gesture on his part. Whether he was a good coach for us or not he has as much reason to harbor ill will towards us as we do him. He is willing to forgive and move on and we should do the same. He was an IU coach who took over during a tough time and still got us to the championship game. Now if Sampson ever comes back, I would be disappointed if we clapped even once on accident.

I dunno. It sure seemed like we missed on a lot of guys first. One thing Crean has always had was a lot of recruiting energy so of the definite plan was to outwork everyone then maybe I can agree with you.

Mostly the result of our negative posting on message boards. dws

People here were critical of her early but when the news came out that they kept us in the mix there were a lot of posters who argued that his mom was actually pushing for us. There were few critical posts of her then and as we start to look out of it again then angst against mom comes back. You may have been critical all along but I have seen the opinion sway back and forth.

The common theme recently was that Mom liked IU and was keeping us in the hunt.

I would not expect him to be the only guy they bring in.

I always think it funny how we really like his mom when she is helping keep IU in the hunt and then as soon as we appear out of now we think she is trouble.

It might not be anything to worry about. In fact many are not really fretting over this but looking at that list of kids that signed on the first day in the BT, remembering past signing days when IU would send updates and coach comments on the signees it has been more common for IU signees to sign on the first day than to wait. Also, when kids do not sign that first day we typically hear a reasonable story why. So far no story.