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I think Indiana and Crean really would benefit from a win vs Butler. Gtown important too but we really need to beat Butler

Yeah. I think another part of the Sampson issue was how the OSU coach who had recently won his case in court to be paid his full buyout might impact us. Not that his case impacted us but perhaps the for clause language was similar

Ok so the July part is tricky but that probably could be worked out. For example if we said hey this is not working we are making a change. Do you want $7 mill now or do you want to be reassigned until July? I thought perhaps the other part was in Stevens contract

We has cause with Sampson and still bought him out. Back then I remember the debate and at least part of the reason for not terminating with marginal cause reasons was it sent a poor message to replacement candidates.

What is the $14 million. Crean is half of that but I have not see a number on BS contract.

agree. If they were roommates that really seemed a bad pairing.

I agree but it will matter most the last half of the year. Say he has several really big scoring games the latter half the BT season. And some good games in the BTT and NCAA tourney and I could see him bolt. Yes his D is limited and he could handle ball better but the NBA will be head pressed to pass on a kid who averages 20 plus a game in a power conference. Throw in 4-5 rebounds a game and it is within reason.

This is how I would present it as well. It would help if Noah was someone kids could contact as a reference and have him give glowing recommendations. I do not know this to be untrue but I get the impression the relationship is frosty between him and the staff.

I guess the question is whether or not the amount of money brought in today is enough. I think it is nice that other sports have done well. Wasn't it just two years ago we almost won the college cup? Still if the two revenue sports do not do well then I suspect mr glass will find his seat hotter than he wants.

Remember when Crean got the job here. We had people tracking flights and insiders giving tips and we thought we were getting Lon Kruger. Then all of a sudden the news switches and about the time Crean arrives in Bloomington we find out who the coach is. The point is that back channel whispers can be very quiet and if anyone is talking to any coach about replacing Crean they better not let word get out. We did it before when we hired Crean and IF we replace him I suspect and hope we do not hear about back channel discussions.

It would feel a little better if EWU hangs on but the way we lost the game to them was frustrating. We had it in hand then suddenly stopped playing D and let them take the game away.

Ok. I think we are a legit big away from being a championship level team next year. I agree that with what we have coming in and coming back we could be top 15-20 good but not sure we have enough to get past sweet 16. I get that is still pretty good and should warrant some excitement but then after that year we lose Yogi, Nick and HP and possibly JBj. So another peak at sweet 16 then reload.

Who is it that gives us size next year? I thought Morgan was essentially the same height as Perea. Does he play more like a center or is he a rebound machine?

Yeah I heard that too. There were announcers back in 12/13 that made comments as well about how hard and intense our practices were that year too.

Does not make sense that even small schools would not offer. Yeah the release starts low and is slower but if that is all, it would seem strange someone would not give him a chance.

Maybe after a few months but I doubt he could join the team in January and be the best player on the team at that point. That is what it seemed you were suggesting.

You think that he would be better than Yogi and JBj?

The problem I have here is that would be two years in a row that we did the addition by subtraction thing. Next year probably needs to be THE year because the year after that JBj and Yogi, HP and NZ are gone. I cannot disagree that if Stan and Troy are hurting the team dynamic then they need to go. I would prefer if that is the case they sit now too so others can get their PT. However, if we don't stem the tide of addition by subtraction we will be in big doo doo.

Not to doubt you but after the Savannah St game Crean went out of his way to praise and support Stan. Was this just coach speak? “It’s not easy for him,” IU coach Tom Crean said. “I try to remind him that even in his second game back, he was even one of the guys at the end of the game finishing the game for us in the last five minutes of the game. But Stan works extremely hard. Since he’s been back, he doesn’t go home after the walk‑through. He eats, he sits around a little bit and then he goes back out in the gym and shoots. I see it countless (times). I’m worried, ‘OK, are you working too hard?’ I mean, he wants it so bad.”

Oh I agree but I heard that going into this year too. Addition by subtraction two years in a row seems like bad math.

I agree with the OP and thought we should be in the top 25 and playing very well at the end of the year. The lack of D disappoints though. Still even if we get that fixed we are not yet much better for next year unless we get a big that will start day 1. So best case top 25 at end of this year and 2 wins in tourney. No new recruits added we are probably top 20 most of the year but not likely to get too far in tourney the following year Then year 3 yogi graduates and JBj goes pro and we are young again.

I agree but I had hoped in year 7 Crean would have been way past what he inherited. He definitely got an A+ from me in years 1-4. Since then, since he built a new platform on guys like Zeller, Hulls, VO and Watford it seems to be slipping away. Too young last year. Too young this year. Now we are talking about sending Troy and Stan away next year.

I agree but doesn't that combined with the possibility of losing Stan and Troy once again make us young yet again?

I am going to go out on a limb and suggest they won a game in 2010

I would actually prefer to have several 4 star bigs that we develop (even though we have not done that yet) into legit bigs. Not develop into lottery picks necc but guys that can be really good for more than 1 year.