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I agree with the OP and thought we should be in the top 25 and playing very well at the end of the year. The lack of D disappoints though. Still even if we get that fixed we are not yet much better for next year unless we get a big that will start day 1. So best case top 25 at end of this year and 2 wins in tourney. No new recruits added we are probably top 20 most of the year but not likely to get too far in tourney the following year Then year 3 yogi graduates and JBj goes pro and we are young again.

I agree but I had hoped in year 7 Crean would have been way past what he inherited. He definitely got an A+ from me in years 1-4. Since then, since he built a new platform on guys like Zeller, Hulls, VO and Watford it seems to be slipping away. Too young last year. Too young this year. Now we are talking about sending Troy and Stan away next year.

I agree but doesn't that combined with the possibility of losing Stan and Troy once again make us young yet again?

I am going to go out on a limb and suggest they won a game in 2010

I would actually prefer to have several 4 star bigs that we develop (even though we have not done that yet) into legit bigs. Not develop into lottery picks necc but guys that can be really good for more than 1 year.

Didn't Mike Riley almost come to indiana for a coaching or AD job

I think you and CF are correct. Remy and Hollowell fit in that boat, Roth and Creek in another and you could add Jurkin in another. While all have separate reasons we lost a lot of guys recently that could have helped provide veteran leadership.

Isn't the argument for keeping guys like Remy primarily related to the lack of leadership concerns we have? It seems each of the last two years we keep hearing we are young and don't have veteran leaders. Guys like Remy, even if role players can be that veteran leader we seem to be missing. The last couple of years we have had guys like Remy leave and have replaced with freshmen. I remember guys like Joe Hillman who did not average a ton of points but was such a valuable leader his final years.

Your comments on Glass are precisely why some on message boards feel the need to be so vocal about Crean needing to go now. It is a bit of a process and when the AD makes comments about keeping a guy beyond what people want then they start to show dissatisfaction as they can. Message boards are one area but attendance at games and donations are larger signals. I know that we are finishing a holiday break but attendance has been down recently. We should watch as the season goes on - this was one of the indicators for Davis. Another smaller example is the poster who works for the foundation calling for donations. They are not calling IU athletic boosters specifically but the poster on here mentioned a noticeable increase in dissatisfaction for the bball program amongst alumni they called. Unfortunately I think Glass has to give the impression that he is keeping Crean even if he has decided otherwise. Right now I believe he does plan to bring him back even if we have a mediocre year. Thus those who are against this idea will get more vocal if things do not improve.

I was basing my comment off Quinn himself. It might be he preferred basketball but he did say that he eventually had to choose and could not keep playing both.

Sure if college was the end of the line but if Darius stays injury free and keeps progressing he will be earning an NFL paycheck some day.

Quinn did play but as he got past his sophomore year he saw basketball was a more likely path for him and he gave up football.

I think he is too important to the football team at this point. An injury would really hurt them and they do not need any additional hurdles. He has also been playing football and going all out for several months. There is a reason the football team has an offseason and that is to let the body heal and get ready for next season.

I think we need a stellar year this year. An overachieving year like Cody's freshman year. I think we need our top 7 players back next year and we have to add a starting center that is real threat. I think he has to have some recruiting momentum back again Lastly, He really needs a run of 5+ years where we compete for the BT every year (top 3 works for me). A tall order but had the 2012 class lived up to rankings we would likely be in the middle of such a run now.

That ship sailed. I cannot see Izzo taking the job at a school that fired one of his guys.

Well we might know. I think we learn if he is not the right coach but if he rights the ship just enough to extend his stay that does not necessarily mean his the right guy long turn. Would love to see something definitive on the positive side beyond just making the tourney but that seems a long shot. So I think we either learn his not the right guy or we extend this uncertainty another year.

I agree. He would be the first call I make.

I am not sure Stevens is a home run hire but his 2 FF, and 2 championship games is equal to Creans 1 FF?

Latham is big but does he really fit the Crean fast pace? The fella that went to NC State was tall and long but we did not think he could fit in the offense. Would Latham fit any better?

Holt did not focus on deflections and instead just grabbed the ball. He has to understand the value of a deflection.

Those two years were good. On the right track. But the really good coaches don't have two bad years like we had last year and where we are predicted this year. Is this that hard to see?

I would argue that our youth the last two seasons shows things do not always work out.

You do not have to give all those things but start with winning and the so the other things most of the time and you are OK. If you do not win you better do all the others very well and sell us on the idea that wins are coming

It is a fair question. Even with the mess at IU Crean built a championship level team in 5 years. If there is a next Crean will leave a program in much better shape. This the new guy would probably have the expectation to field a top level team in perhaps 3 or 4 years. But even if it takes him five years what hurts Crean more though is not necc getting further than the sweet sixteen in 13 but where we are today both on and off the court. The fan base wants a banner for sure but we absolutely do NOT want to suck. Avoid sucking and you will probably be OK.

No it is a natural drift. Your post was spot on the mark. Best post of the day.