8bucks

Did we ever hear what his injury was? I always thought it might be possible if his rehab carries into the BT regular season. But then thought he would have done that mid year to get the benefit of a shorter sit out period

Absolutely care. Big stage and a chance to show what we can do. Why would you not care about how we play

There are three seasons. BT regular season - great job. The BTT once again a major flop. NCAAs are next - who knows. As good as the BT regular season championship was it just raises expectations for the tournaments. Crean has not had teams do well in the tournaments. Underperform in the tournaments diminishes BT titles unless you are Purdue.

Crean's teams have performed poorly in tournaments This is factual and many of us that have been skeptics are hoping that with this team he can start to overcome that. We are hopeful and are not looking to discredit. When the results, however, match the unfortunate tournament fact and our hope is gone the pendulum swings back quickly.

This loss should refine our focus, we get key injured players back, have a veteran group and we are a strong team. I expect elite 8 at a minimum. Anything else is disappointing. You have two season. BT regular season and tournament. Regular season is great but it is to get you ready to make a tourney run.

Ok big guy how far? How far is this great team going to go? And if they don't get there I bet we see you telling us all is well.

How is that possible given our poor tournament play under Crean. Every tournament is important and here we cannot use matchup as an excuse.

[quote name="Geometry Hoosier" post="255158" timestamp="1457575727"][quote name="Geometry Hoosier" post="234496" timestamp="1453270244"]So on 1/7/16, we were informed they were shutting down a huge portion of the plant where I work. They are predicting around 600 jobs, but we are hoping for less. There was no indication that this was going to happen and caught everyone off guard. I would appreciate your prayers for me as well as my coworkers. Well, it official, I'll be losing my job. It could be as early as 4/7, but with training it could be later. The good news is I do have call back rights, but there are over 90 in front of me. I'm just happy that I have Christ in my life, because I know he has a plan for me. I would appreciate your prayers for me and everyone else affected. Thanks in advance, Geometry.[/quote] What do you do or what would you be looking for? Maybe we need to have a job board on here.

BS recruited Cody when at Butler and almost got him. He may not go after all 5 stars but with very good coaching and strong retention you can win with a blend of 4 star kids with a few 3 and 5 stars. After coaching in the NBA, if he were to return to college I doubt he would have a problem working with high end players but he might be able to let assistants do the initial leg work.

Great grit, became a great leader by becoming a defensive menace

I don't have much of a problem with Grant. If Crean thinks he can contribute he has a better eye than I. I would love to see us develop a development program for guys like this. Not Creans forte but he has changed some already this year why not more

MVP moment

Hartman fouled - came over his shoulder

Iowa adjusted - time for us to do something different

We have to stop having the freshman drive.

For those of you that set standards at the beginning of the year for him to hit in order to have your support to return - have you lowered that bar? We did lose Blackman and RoJo for some games but all teams have injuries. I thought he needed to finish top 4 in BT, top 4 in BTT and elite 8 in NCAAs. BT - check, BTT I still hold to the top 4 expectations. For the NCAAs I may back off the elite 8 with Blackman and the late injury to RoJo but it is time for Crean to coach a team that over achieves in the tourney. We need to be the matchup nightmare. We need to capitalize on a very good BT season by doing something in March.

I am find with. Co championship unless you lost the last two games of the year and the outright title during that stretch. We need to finish strong in the regular season, the BTT AND the NCAA's

Interesting idea. It probably depends on the AND what happens in the NCAA. BT title and underperforming in the NCAA or top 4 in the BT and FF I probably take the latter.

I agree but we are seeing what top programs do in down years if we look at Michigan, Wisconsin or Ohio State.

He is probably safe I agree but we have to do something more with these up years in NCAAs and the down years can't be so far down. Many thought we needed to be elite 8 level for him to return before the season started. That was pre key player injury certainly but if we are good enough to win the big we should be good enough to advance past the sweet sixteen

I don't think we are overachieving. We have several upperclassmen that start or log heavy minutes. We have 2 McDs still playing. We have a senior AA point guard. We are not lacking at any position. Given how we started the year, some may think we are overachieving. This is not a knock on Crean either. In fact it is good for him to have been able to build a strong roster and overcome a bad start and an injury to the top scorer. If we can keep guys from transferring then I see no reason we can't have a really strong 4-5 year run.

I agree but we have trouble feeding him when we aren't guarded. Harder as the apply pressure. Wonder if he will bring TB out higher to get touches

With Z I agree. Cannot play them together in important stretches.

Niego actually had a good groove for a bit. Couple of assists and a steal

Yep. When you pressure our perimeter players and bump cutters our offense looks disorganized.