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How different things would be if we had landed Knecht....

What truly "big time" program is on their third coach in 5 years like we would be

Ok I agree. Push like hell for retirement after this season. If the answer is no, you say ok retire after next year. If the answer is still no then yeah you probably have to fire him assuming next year doesn't go well. but then the firing is at least more justified.

Ok slow down. #1+2 bolded is a gross over-reaction. We sucked, Woodson got hired, we made the tournament 2 times in a row. I'm assuming you mean not recruiting, Ware was the #2 ranked portal player last year!! Yes, the guard situation needed more done to shore it up, but I doubt nothing was attempted. #3 bolded is a fine point and I understand that is your opinion, but in my opinion firing Woodson would give an image of total instability and lower our brand even further in the mind of recruits and parents. He HAS to retire. I'd be thrilled if he retired after this season but I'm telling you. Firing him now will do more harm then good.

I do NOT think May would be a good hire at all. Really hoping we dodge that bullet

Yeah the latter is correct. Although I don't think I've said the fans are toxic once... Nor have I said Woodson's "thing" is working, or going to work. I just don't agree that firing him now will help the program long run. I think image is important and he needs to retire for our image. If we don't have a good portal, win 10 games next year, can't recruit again, and he refuses to retire... then yeah you probably have to fire him.

Absolutely for the 1st 2, although Kopp wasn't by much. Ware I'm not sure if it's improvement or just finally utilizing his abilities more in a game plan. P&R lobs should have been being ran 3+ times a game all season. You have a coordinated, athletic 7 fter for gods sake.

I mean this with all due respect, having old fans is no reason for putting all your chips in on firing another coach, going 100% for broke, and maybe making things worse. RESPECTFULLY. We have to build a culture. Bob Knights Legacy is gone. We are not that program any more. we can't win now it isn't that easy. Our brand doesn't have the power of Duke, UNC, Kansas, or even Uconn to kids now days. We have to rebuild it. We need stability. We need Woody to retire and move on that way.

Obviously it isn't great. Isn't even good. But if you don't think it could be worse you're crazy.

I think "kicking him to the curb" contributes to wrecking things though. He has to go out on his terms even if that's BS and there's really pressure on him behind the scenes to walk, I think for the program image we cannot "fire" him.

I just think there's a better way to allow him to retire after next season that sets us up for smoother waters ahead. NOW, do I think that is how things will actually go? No probably not. Next year will be a circus, the calls for his job will be worse then this year, recruiting will be horrible again because of the uncertainty of the next year but yeah, I can dream. If I'm the Lisan al Gaib I see many paths in front of us. In so many of them the program burns in the bottom of the B1G, but there's a narrow way through, a way to usher a new era that is smooth and respectable.

Easier said then done. Crean was much better suited for being a college coach then Woodson. Crean could develop players. I'm not sure Woodson can. TJD was already great. The strength and conditioning team deserves credit for helping Malik change his body. Mak is just growing into his talent he already had, he just had to adjust to the step up in intensity. Has anyone else actually gotten better under Woodson?

Ok you are right, maybe I should have said at least 5 transfers which does feel... optimistic, but I stand by that this is a marathon. Hitting the reset button and starting fresh (likely after next year) may not be the worst thing. You can't build a program and a culture trying to win now every year. Especially not when you're building on the base we currently have. If we have to tear it up and pour a new foundation that will put us in a better spot 3-5 years from now.

While I agree Woodson doesn’t understand the current climate of CBB, I don’t think we will lose everyone on the current roster next year. I think maybe 2-4 guys transfer out, there will be at least 3 transfers in, and we have another middle of the pack year next year. Woody then retires and we start fresh. We are Indiana University. Too big to fail.