steubenhoosier

With the conference expansion, for those of us too lazy to open the links, you’re gonna have to specify which UW.

Dan Dakich would love it to be Dan Dakich

Kinda doubt he is concerned about Mr. Basketball. Sights are set on getting to the league asap.

I have a friend who sat by some Nebraska fans and they left in the 2nd quarter

Disagree with the best hire comment. Hep would have gotten the program to great heights had he had the chance

Why isn’t this topic pinned at the top of this forum? Too much attention on guys not wanting to be a Hoosier and not enough attention given to Sisley who has committed

On the way home this morning we stopped in Pigeon Forge for breakfast. Bunch of Roll Tiders there for the UT game. I walked in with my IU hat on and got a few chuckles. As the song goes... "Can you see me now!"

Hmmm…. Considering that “the Wooden discourse “ permeates pretty much every basketball thread

No that’s your opinion. And you guys react because it makes you uncomfortable to believe that building a team through the portal, regardless of the team, isn’t sustainable

Oh, I’m enjoying the hell out of the football program. Just wondering if the standards are the same for all programs

Best Gus quote. ”IU! America, they got a football team now!”

Awesome job by CCC and the entire staff. Built a great team by utilizing the portal. Did it once. Wonder if it’s sustainable?

And if they win, no one will care

I don’t expect anyone to be sunshine and roses. However I also don’t understand the burying of Woodson before the season starts. The FMW thread continues on end. There are posters there who don’t say anything but FMW. I don’t know if Woodson is the guy or not. I don’t think he’s done anything yet that warrants him being fired, and I choose to hold my opinion until this season plays out. If this team plays to or above its potential, meets or exceeds our expectations, he deserves to stay. If it doesn’t, then it’s time to move on. If that’s viewed as sunshine pumping, so be it. I’m content with my stance as a rational and realistic way to enter the season.

I would argue that you are an investor. You’re emotionally invested in the program or you wouldn’t care enough to express your opinions here. I would also argue that if IU were to win at the highest levels, conference, tournament or you name it, you wouldn’t care if the team was made up of 1 year guys, 5 year guys, walk-ons from the local CYO league. I would also argue that if this team wins at that level, you wouldn’t care that the team is comprised of almost entirely non-Indiana guys. And finally, I’d argue that if the portal and NIL continues as it is, Painter’s model won’t continue to succeed. It took a once in a generation talent, not from Indiana by the way, for him to get to his first FF. Without Edey, that team of Indiana guys was a first weekend flameout.

I did not say that anyone has blown off the roster. I said, or meant to say, that many on here have blown off this way of building a roster. There have been many comments that the purse strings were only loosened this one time, to save Woodson. And there have been multiple comments that buying “mercenaries “ won’t work long term. No one knows that. No one can predict what the deep pocketed boosters are going to do. Back to my analogy, if this team provides the return on investment we all hope for, why wouldn’t they continue on? Conversely, if this team bombs, why would they chase a bad investment? As far as Woodson burning off good will, again who cares? A bunch of butthurt fans looking for excuses. So what if he had a glass of wine with his guys after a loss. So what if he said some things that didn’t sit well. Didn’t affect my life one bit and can’t imagine it did anything to turn anyone’s life upside down. Plenty of examples of coaches who were/are a**holes. Woodson didn’t get hired to make friends. As far as the whole recruiting thing goes… just my opinion but the whole star rating thing is a joke. Basically the opinions based on competing at a lower level of competition. Until a guy gets on the court against other college athletes, the true value of the player is all conjecture. Getting 5 star players is awesome for the fanbase. Allows them to puff their chests and brag a bit. But give me a proven, experienced portal player 10 times out of 10 over a player who has 5 star potential. And yes, I agree. All my opinions are predicated on winning. None of this matters if we don’t meet the expectations we all have

I think in the age of NIL. and pay to play, this analogy is applicable. If I’m a stockholder of a company, I don’t care where the profits come from, as long as they’re legitimate and legally obtained. Doesn’t matter if they come from the standard, tried and true product, or the new development. It all goes to the same bottom line. Similarly, who cares how guys end up wearing the Candy Stripes? As long as they are here under the rules as they currently exist, what matters? If the product is a great one, if this team performs to the level we expect them to, I can’t imagine anyone on here who doesn’t have an agenda is going to care how a player became a contributor to the success of the team. The question becomes, is Woodson’s method of building a team sustainable? Yet to be seen, but some here want to blow off this year’s roster as a one off. Until proven otherwise, what proof is there that he can’t continue to build high quality teams his way? As the old saying goes, there’s more than one way to skin a cat. NIL and the portal are fairly new concepts. Traditional methods of building a team are a thing of the past. Recruiting high schoolers and expecting them to stay at beloved IU for 4-5 years is a fairy tale. Yes we need a mix, and Woodson’s teams have had one. I can’t wait to see what these guys do as a team. Will be much more interested in the product on the floor in March than the one who starts play in a few weeks. But I am going to hold judgment and not crucify a guy until the process plays out.

Maybe so, but why did those kids chose IU when they could have gone anywhere?

Interesting observation, because that was the criticism of Knight from the mid-90's, that he had lost interest in recruiting, had turned the responsibilities over to the assistants, and as a result, the product on the floor suffered.

Since the definition of whiff is to completely miss something, how does someone completely whiff? More importantly, you’re wrong. Sisley is committed and by all reports, is tearing it up at Montverde. Not a grand slam, but in no way a whiff , and really discredits a guy who wants to be a Hoosier

Yawn. You just won’t let it rest, will you? One trick pony for sure

So, we play both Michigan and Washington in the last part of our season. Who do we have a better chance to beat?

Ty Son Lawton was quoted on our telecast that he is 25

All I know is, is if they don’t score 40, It’s a disappointment

As much or more excitement for IU football than when Penix dove for the pylon v PSU?