AH1971

You ever think the reason why IU is getting the Archie Miller’s and Mike Woodson’s of the world is because the coaching retention sucks?? I’d love to hear who you think IU is going to get once Woodson is gone? Especially someone who is going to win overnight since you know, you can tell a coaches future trajectory all within a year or two…BeCAuSE NiL.

Keep turnin’ and burning’!!! That’ll surely fix things lol.

We’re on our 5th coach since the turn of the century…. Name another program in the country who has consistently won at a respectable level with a comparable turnover rate as Indiana in said time frame? You can’t because they don’t exist. IU has a terrible turnover rate when it comes to coaching retention. Don’t kid yourself.

This has gone over your head…again. None of those coaches would have become relevant had they only been given 2-3 seasons. Making my point yet again.

Then why are coaches still given 4-5 year contracts in the NIL era instead of 1-2 year contracts? Because building something doesn't always happen overnight, even in the current climate. You're telling me Dusty May is only going to get two years at Michigan? Because of NIL? Stupid to suggest otherwise.

That is certainly an opinion.

Well we definitely have a differing opinion on this. Making the tournament was the singular expectation I had for Woodson's first year, we hadn't been since 2016. Beating Purdue for the first time in 9 tries was also refreshing. Year 2 I had higher preseason expectations although those were tempered when two starters went down for the majority of the conference season. Comfortably making the tournament as a 4 seed, sweeping Purdue, and finishing in the top third of the B10 was fine by me, but the blowout loss to Miami is the only thing people are going to remember. Last year was a train wreck and unacceptable. Can't happen again. So no I don't think he's underachieved 3 consecutive years. But to each their own.

No one hires a coach thinking they're getting 40 years and 5 national titles. Not at all how the hiring process works. But I'd sure as hell take 3-4 more seasons of Woodson getting to the 2nd weekend of the tournament and winning at a high level so long as he continues to have an offseason like the one prior and then calling it quits on his own terms leaving the program better than he found it. Sure as hell beats the alternative of hiring Dusty May and then listening to this board call for his head because he didn't win a national title by year 3.

Stability and continuity are two huge factors that go into winning at a high level consistently. Turning coaches over every 3-4 seasons because you don't like their overnight results isn't a recipe for success, clearly. There are some coaches who do win big right away but that's not the norm in this industry.

Jay Wright was worse in year 3 than year 1, as was Mike Krzyzewski. I don't believe either would have gotten the leniency here given this boards standard. Hell Archie was light years improved in year 3 from year 1 and most wanted him gone after his 2nd season.

A troll? For defending the coach at IU? You literally have people in this thread who openly rooted for the team to lose last year. Last thing I need is for some millennial from the east coast talking about IU and winning. You don't have a clue, you weren't around for it. Don't call me a troll.

Now that I think about, probably won't. This is in fact the Do No Fire Mike Woodson thread. I do keep receipts though.

If Mike Woodson didn't deserve a 4th year, none of the current or future HoF coaches I listed prior did either. I rest my case.

How did I contradict myself? I've been on record multiple times saying Woodson deserved a 4th year.

3 years bare minimum barring scandal or something that resembles Kenny Payne’s tenure. And that’s regardless of the college basketball climate. Firing a coach every two years because you don’t like their overnight results is asinine.

EXACTLY. Which is why it’s stupid to declare a coach a failure after 3 years if he doesn’t instantly win and win big (more so talking Woodson here). I just think it’s hypocritical for the Fire Archie/Fire Woodson crowd after 2-3 seasons to sit there and say they would have given all this leeway to these current or future HoF coaches who had similar or worse resumes in the same time frame. But I understand there’s a narrative that needs driven home. But cycling through coaches every 4-5 seasons because they don’t win at a high level overnight is only going to drive this program further and further into obscurity.

Jay Wright had a worse record in year 3 than he did year 1. So did Mike Kryzewski. As did Scott Drew. John Beilein went 15-17 in year 3 at Michigan. You want to know who improved years 1 through 3? Archie Miller. I don't buy for one second that people like you would have given these other coaches the benefit of the doubt. Your arguments clearly don't hold water. Archie Miller had a top 10 class in year 2 and followed that up with another 5* recruit.

Unless he's just absolutely blown away during his visit here next month, he's going to take that UK visit at the end of October before going into decision mode. Oct/Nov commits from top rated recruits prior to signing day is pretty par for the course.

So why didn’t IU give Archie more time given his young age? Most were done with Archie after year 2. I don’t buy for one second that those on this board who wanted Archie gone after 2-3 years would give the same pass to the above mentioned coaches who had similar or worse resumes after their first couple years at their respective programs.

Two missed tourney’s and zero tournament wins through 4 seasons would have had our Charmin-soft posters heads exploding on here.

Maybe you just need some thicker skin.

I’m not sure the internet’s for you.

Such a triggered bunch. Going to be a long and miserable winter for some.

Another person who doesn't know what floor means ^^^ And I'm not sure why you'd care either? You don't even root for the team to win and have stated on multiple occasions that you don't intend on tuning in this season.

I’m good