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Poor boy took his ball all the way home. Expected a much better fight. Disappointed.

Jokes on you then...??

And yet you still don't understand why IU can't hire a "good" coach... Perhaps that's the question you should be asking.

IU is on their 6th coach in 25 years. Do the math. Everybody else outside the IU network, including prospective coaches, have. It is what it is.

Clearly...

It wasn't.

I don't owe you s*** lol. If you think firing a coach every 4-5 years is somehow going to erase 30+ years of mediocrity I don't know what else to tell you.

Has nothing to do with anything I posted lol. I'm never going to yell "Fire X coach" after year 1. It's a nonsensical exercise. I believed Woodson had too much talent to fail last year....clearly I was wrong and I owned that months ago yet you still bring it up. But I also very clearly said last summer that it was his prove it or else year.

Firing coaches every 4-5 years speaks to the non-existent culture that has been IU basketball the last 25 years. Don't know how many different ways to say it.

They out themselves lol ^^^^

What's your question? Mike Woodson was entering year 4 with a solid core returning on top of a monster on paper portal class. We aren't anywhere close to there with DeVries. Apples to Oranges bud.

Pretty wild (and telling) that the same group of people who continuously complain that IU has a coach hiring problem are the same group of people that can never figure out why "good" coaches don't ever want to come to IU.

Fans don't make or break a program either way. Coaching does however and when you run off coaches every 4-5 years you're never going to setup or sustain any kind of success. I like the fact that DeVries ran every one off the roster and cleaned house. A reset was needed. Regardless of what happens this year, putting DeVries on any kind of lifted seat going into year 2 is stupid and why the IU program is in the state that it is.

Well his best player is following him so there's that.

Louisville hired Kenny Payne lol. You just tattle on yourself?

Huh? I've taken a back seat to every new hire since Knight. Goal for DeVries this year is to get a culture and system in place. Anything after that is gravy. I've been pretty consistent on that since January regardless of who IU was going to hire. There's nothing attractive about IU right now outside of money. And with revenue sharing being enacted this next athletic calendar year, a whole bunch of other teams just fell into some money.

Kenny Payne's best year doesn't even compare to Woodson's worst year. Zero percent chance Louisville would have fired Woodson after his first two years in Bloomington. No program in the country would have.

No one should be impressed/unimpressed until actual games start. I mean, IU has been what, the offseason national champs the last 9-10 years running? God forbid we don't win it this year.

Johni Broome averages 30 mpg as a NPOY candidate and averaged 25 mpg the year before as an All-American. Flory needs a new agent or handler if he seriously thinks he's going to play that much regardless of what Pearl tells him. It ain't happening.

If Flory really is down to Auburn, IU, and Michigan (still?) then there's no way he can expect to realistically play heavy minutes next year. I would assume he understands that though.

There's an ignore feature. Your bravery to skip over passionate basketball dialogue is duly noted.

Why don't they compliment each other? You get 20 minutes of an elite shot blocker and potential high end rebounder who could be a massive threat in lob action and then you get 20 minutes of a brute who draws fouls and is very efficient around the rim. What else do you want/need from your 5?

I mean Payne left Minnesota as a spot starter to go be a spot starter at Texas A&M. He's never averaged more than 23 mpg anywhere . I think he knows and understands his limitations at this stage. I really struggle to see Auburn guaranteeing Flory 30+ mpg next year. Would be a massive jump that ultimately leaves him disappointed. He's just not ready for those kinds of minutes yet.

@Certified Sunshine Pumperwhat's confusing about this? Flory isn't good enough offensively to play 30+ mpg on top of foul issues and Payne has never physically been able to play 30 mpg or really even come close to it. A 22/18 minute split with Payne + Flory at the 5 with Flory playing a 4-5 minutes at the 4 when a bigger lineup is needed would be a good sell for DeVries. With multiple years of eligibility left, a good development year would potentially allow Flory to push 30+ mpg as an upperclassmen.

Neither Flory or Payne are 30+ mpg guys so taking both would solve the 5 spot in a hurry