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I don't know if accurate but ESPN article earlier included him in the sizable buyout preventing move category and says ($17.6 million left on his deal). The rest of the list says buyout instead of "left on his deal".

Do you (anyone) know/remember what happen during the 2020-21 and 2016-17 seasons for Pearl? Did they mail it in since they were ineligible in 2021? Looks like some forfeits/missing games in 2017?

I addressed it all in my 1st post. Combination of age (about to be 64), buyout ($17mil?), salary ($5.6 currently) for those same results discounting the often used he would do better at IU thought that has rarely if ever worked out. If he takes 3 years to turn things around he's 67 at the end of that season and we're right back here again. If the belief is that he'd turn it around immediately and we'd be starting off at his 4 season, obviously I'd be ecstatic with those results but that wasn't the premise of my post. The combination of those 3 things plus the time he took to turn things around at his current stop just seems like a recipe for disaster, but its not my money and not my decision. It would have to be better than Woodson. I'd rather pay a lesser buyout (10-12m) for a younger guy (49) and the same salary required for Nate Oats all day every day.

That ESPN article earlier said its 12m now, but drops to 10m on 3/15. Still large but not 27 large

Not that it matters but I'm out on Pearl. Buyout, salary, age for his Auburn results no thanks. I know the hope would be that he could be better at IU than at Auburn, but we've been burned by that line of thinking for years now. Would have been a great hire during plenty of the previous searches.

It would actually be great if Woodson announced he was retiring at the end of the year. I think most, if not all, of the boo's and anger would subside and we could give him a proper farewell and thanks for ending the tournament drought and for trying to get us over the hump. Restore some of the love so many IU fans had for him before this season went way too far south.

I think Oats is the only one I have above him since he's a bit more proven at this stage. I know it doesn't sound well coming off hiring "IU guy" Woodson, but if we're taking a mid-major "unproven" guy, I want Dusty May because of his love for IU on top of all his other accomplishments/credentials that can be compared to others (Schertz, TJ, etc.) Doesn't hurt that his buyout isn't killer either.

By the time Sam Hoiberg hit free throws to put Nebraska up by 12 points with 2:09 remaining, the student section — which typically stands for the entire game aside from timeouts — was seated. A young woman behind the media row subtly let out a disappointed, “Well, f*** them.” ***** The root causes of this loss were all too familiar. The Hoosiers shot 58 percent at the free-throw line, largely thanks to a 5-for-13 clip by Kel’el Ware. They shot 19 percent from 3-point range — somehow only their fifth-worst mark of the season — and allowed Nebraska to shoot 42 percent from beyond the arc on the other end. Costly individual mistakes loomed large, like Galloway’s career-high six turnovers.

If my employer told me I had to die, I'd refuse too...

I was thinking how it looks favorably for May to have a slightly worse winning % starting at a program with no advantages even when you're taking out his two flavor of the month years.

Thanks. Turned it on and saw... Dusty May First 4 seasons .541 Last 2 seasons .857 I know from a post earlier Mike Woodson First 3 seasons .617

What did I ever do to you? :p

Mike Woodson even said Mike Woodson came back "to win Big Ten titles and a national title". Does Mike Woodson think Mike Woodson has got IU and Mike Woodson closer to those goals? Metrics say no. On Torvik, Mike Woodson is currently worse (90) than both predecessor's year 3 which is saying something to be worse than Archie Miller (56) and Tom Crean's 3rd year (85) in the midst of a total rebuild. Maybe we can find a rule that says those that speak in 3rd person are finished after their 3rd season.

Article when Woodson was fired from the Hawks... https://www.espn.com/nba/news/story?id=5188712 Woodson felt he deserved a chance to return after the Hawks became just the seventh team in NBA history to win more games than the previous season for five straight years. But it was clear that some players had tuned him out, especially in the playoffs. Atlanta struggled to beat a short-handed Milwaukee team in the opening round, rallying from a 3-2 deficit to win in seven games. Then came a total rout in the conference semifinals.

The same Brad Stevens who didn't make the NCAA tournament the year after back to back championship games and had 9 losses to 100+ ranked teams that year?

That's an impressive list of coaches. With the exception of Dana Kirk who I know nothing about and morality issues aside, I'd take any of these coaches any day...

So let me get this straight... Dusty May went to the Final Four and is barely hanging on this year with an 19-5 (9-2) record. I'll give you that 4 of the 5 losses are to "bad" teams but it is by a combined 18 points. You expect them to flame out early in the tourney this year based on something... While you argue that Mike Woodson who didn't make it to the Final Four (losing in the 2nd round) and has a 14-10 (6-7) record should get another year to (ie not be in hot water) turn it around. I'll only call 2 of the 10 as "bad" losses by a combined 23 points. He won't get a chance to flame out early in the tournament this year based on not making it...

Thanks guys. Duh. I knew I was tired this morning, but me missing on this confirms it.

Can you elaborate on the moving trucks? Is this normal? Why would they be cleaning everything out/making it empty by the time the team gets back (in-season)?

Thanks for this. It gives me real hope atm whether Woodson is retained or let go. I wish I could like this more than once.

I know you made the case for Otzelberger in another thread somewhere. Not sure I would say he's already won big at Iowa State or that Iowa State is as hard of a place to win at as you suggested. Hasn't had a winning record in conference yet, and has won 2 tournament games it appears. Time at UNLV and SD St doesn't look all that impressive either. His 2022 turnaround was extremely impressive and he's kept it going (improving rank and conference record in 2023 and all 3 thus far in 2024). His predecessor had 3 years of equal/better results than he's had thus far so I don't consider IA St a tough place to win at IMO. Otzelberger Steve Prohm (predecessor)

Kenpom's "Luck" rating proves this point for you. We are the 11th luckiest team (for those that don't know-meaning our actual record is better than our expected record based on AdjEM, AdjO, AdjD).