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25 minutes ago, Certified Sunshine Pumper said:

I think it's hilarious he they flew them in to be told they weren't welcome. 

If he'd done it via zoom you all would be bitching that he didn't do it in person. 

If he'd won more games this year, you all would be laughing at HH/not giving a ****, either. Facts 

Isn't it obvious that if he were better at his job (winning games) people would give him a longer leash when he does/says things that are questionable? Yes this is questionable - how does it help the program to end the NIL relationship and discontinue their fan events? 

You think it's hilarious that they were made to fly out there to be told they weren't welcome? Wow. 

Interesting you assume people are just complaining about him no matter what he does... Seems to be the same mindset he has towards non-true fans. We just want him to show accountability and do his job better, since he's our coach for next year. 

5 minutes ago, Scotty R said:

So if you break up with your wife or girlfriend you would do it over the phone

1 minute ago, go iu bb said:

Dude. This what not an employer/employee nor a romantic relationship. 

It was the type of relationship where this didn't have to be handled in person, a zoom meeting would have sufficed. 

Idk. Maybe Woody should have flown to LA to meet them. Enjoy a candle lit dinner. Go shopping on Rodeo Drive. Some pillow talk maybe. 

He's such a great kid. I think the Heat culture will be perfect for him to develop in.

Going to be cheering him on. Could be our next All Star alum some day... has the talent for sure.

I'd be way more excited to watch this roster play if it were for a different staff. 

Hoping for the best, expecting to be underwhelmed and disappointed when he comes back another year or 2/3. 

Next season could be a very good year, for sure. Doesn't mean CMW is suddenly a great CBB coach.

Right now it's easier to say CMW sucks coming off season we had (though he allegedly called it a good season? Lol). 

Next year, it could be easier to say CMW is great if we finish top 2/3 in the B10 and make a S16 or similar sort of season. 

He has a long enough track record as a HC in basketball to say he's a known commodity... the ceiling is pretty clear.

Would be great to surprise to the upside, instead of the downside. Rooting for it. I'm more excited for IUFB this offseason.

2 minutes ago, Certified Sunshine Pumper said:

Right. That's why were going to have the 24-25 season. 

this isn't some ahhh haa moment lol 

This is two guys crying that have a platform. 

That's why we're going to have next year! Lol. 

I never call people it, but you certainly are true to username. I appreciate it. Go Hoosiers

EDIT: For clarity, you can't offer up something that hasn't happened yet as proof that he doesn't suck. Lmao dude.

Just now, Certified Sunshine Pumper said:

Why would anyone care if he's a prick though? That's silly. 

Why keep a prick around if he can't win anything worth a damn? 

Just get rid of the guy already. Scott too.

14 minutes ago, Deserthoozier said:

Their criticism of Woody and program decisions, as well as that of some of their guests, added to their credibility…sharing the frustrations many/most of us have felt about  coaching decisions. This is the Fire Mike Woodson forum F F s!!

Woody was certainly in his right to cut off access, but the petty way he handled it…in particular to guys who although out of bounds sometimes…supported NiL efforts, fan engagement, and HIRED his kids…speaks more to him, his thin skin and his way over inflated self aggrandizement—than it does to the merits of the Hysteric guys. A leader in a position at that level should not only expect criticism, but be able to manage it much more professionally. Sadly, that’s not Woody. This team needs to win!!

 

This is a great post, and you said exactly what I was thinking in the bolded parts.

As these collectives become more cemented fixtures around the program/donor community, there is the potential for them to serve a useful, functional purpose as being the de facto "voice of the fans." They're positioned to have actual influence around programs that extends beyond a particular coaching staff, which is WAY different than the traditional media needing to be in the good graces of the current staff to get scoops, exclusives, etc. I don't think its fair to make that comparison or say that Woodson is necessarily the "hand" that was feeding the Hysterics. There are legitimate reasons to stop doing business with collectives, but is having a candid conversation about the state of the program one of them? Hard to view it as anything other than pettiness stemming from insecurity. 

Yes they have been annoying. By all other metrics, most of which you already covered, they have been a net positive for the program. The HC getting his feelings hurt and being allowed to run them off - to the long term detriment of the program - is just a real shame. I do not have confidence in this staff's ability to lead a locker room to success on the court or help them grow from boys to men. 

2 minutes ago, pumpfake said:

Perhaps the rumors that Dolson was setting up to replace Woodson were true and that the Simon-Skojdts & Buckner essentially neutered him.

I'd like to believe that, but if I'm understanding the posted summary correctly and Scott Dolson was actually with CMW during the meeting with Eric, where he summoned the guy to Bloomington from LA to basically verbally lambast him... there is no way he could be forced to sit through that IMO. If he so badly wanted to replace Woody, I don't think Buckner or any donors could have made him be in the room for that. Only way I can interpret that is Scott was co-signing everything CMW had to say and is fully supporting the HC. 

8 minutes ago, Kentuckysucks said:

Mike Woodson doesn't report to anyone.  Everyone else reports to Mike Woodson.

I laugh because it's funny, but it's sad that not only does CMW apparently actually feel this way... but that Scott Dolson is empowering him to act as if he can't be touched. It's unbecoming of the program to have a whiny crybaby as coach and an AD who sits on his hands, letting him basically do whatever he wants... without any success to back it up. 

I haven't watched the podcast or read the Bozich article yet, but from the summary posted here...

My initial reactions:

• Collectives are part of the changing landscape in college sports. The question this begets is essentially, do the people running those collectives "report" to the HC or the AD.
• Collectives exist outside of coaching staffs and as we move along the adoption curve for NIL/collectives, etc. IMO they are almost sure to have more longevity/add more value to programs than most coaching staffs at most places. Obviously a great coaching staff is worth 100x more than a great collective, but those are few and far between... 
• This obviously creates an irritating situation for HC and staff, who now feel like they not only have an AD to report to, but an additional stakeholder to keep happy in order to have access to all the resources you need to be competitive. 
• Irrespective of the financial contributions they help make for our sports programs, Eric/HH are insufferable at times and I get how they would wear on people. They wanted access and to be fan boys but also to sit at the big boy table and have real influence. I really think it's important for any collective at IU to be able to find the right balance and strike it every time. 
• That said, it's so not surprising that Eric basically screwed the pooch and CMW is being petty, vindictive, and delusional.
• We may have bought a talented enough team that this year is better than last, but holy **** the catty pathetic nature of these supposedly grown a$$ men is embarrassing. I will want Indiana to win - always - but that will be in spite of, not because of, this head coach and the buffoons in our administration.
• For Scott Dolson to have enabled this alleged interaction says everything you need to know about the state of IU athletics. 

SIAP and I missed it, but I really don't get the love for Coleman Hawkins. I also think Johnell Davis isn't going to be all that at Arkansas. I'd say Ballo will be the most impactful transfer on this list if he can stay healthy, based on the role he is going to play + talent/skill. Curious to see how Storr does at Kansas and if Mahaney ends up being a hit or a miss at UConn.  

On 6/16/2024 at 11:59 AM, WayneFleekHoosier said:

It’s all how you sell it. Tell yourself you can’t and you won’t. Purdue for example has 2 seven footers and Kaufman might be their starting 5. I’ve used the example of Bidunga at Kansas before but he’ll be lucky to get 10 minutes.

You sell a developmental spot AT Indiana with NIL, some of the best training, facilities in the nation and get a young talented kid as a backup option. It’s not a 4 year deal. If they bolt bolt the following year, who cares.

Lots of kids would say yes to that if framed correctly. At this point? Idk. But in the transfer portal or freshman class for sure.

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Yep. To this point... https://x.com/theolawson_sr/status/1802712798763348104?s=46&t=xEUmr_7uuY2KI9DKH3UukA

"Real Madrid’s Ismaila Diagne announces on Instagram he’s signed with #Gonzaga. Bulldogs fill their final scholarship with a 7-foot center who’s coming off an Adidas Next Generation championship and Liga Endesa title." 

Only 17, definitely a longer-term project.... But goes to show you can convince talented guys to take one of the last scholarships on a roster. I'd feel better having a kid like this, or really any big guy at this point, fill our 13th spot. It may be tough to fill it in the position we are in... but it can be done. And Real Madrid is not exactly chopped liver. However you slice it we are an injury in the front court away from having a serious problem, just like this past year's backcourt. Things could work out fine rolling with 12, but it's absolutely a risk. 

4 hours ago, HinnyHoosier said:

The Jacobsen kid can be a problem. Once he gets his footing and figures out college ball they can go right back to what they did with Edey. And he's more athletic with more range. Hopefully he doesn't put on much weight and can be pushed around down low.

8 minutes ago, Hardwood83 said:

They can go back to the same style, but not necessarily the same results. They've had hulking dorks there forever, but Edey was the most capable and the rest of the team was built to compliment him. I don't think it will be plug n play with anyone else. 

This is an interesting discussion for sure. I saw Jacobsen play in an EYBL game with Brewster vs. Link Academy... he obviously stands out being that tall, but he is super lanky. Early in the game he was getting pushed around by guys who were much shorter but stronger. After he got into a rhythm though... he had a very quiet 20/10 performance, or close to it. Was on the perimeter more than you'd think. They also liked playing through him in the high post, seems like an above average passer for his position. 

I don't think he'd ever be able to replicate Edey's dominance in the post, but I don't think that's his style either. I would expect Painter will use a few different wrinkles for him until he's ready to become the featured guy in the offense. And that offense would look fairly different from this past year's iteration. I think he will be a solid freshman and then a potentially big pain in the butt for a few years. They will definitely want him to put on some muscle, but not sure how much weight his frame can take... his lateral movement/agility was also way more fluid than Edey's. So he will be better where Edey was weak in terms of defending PnRs/getting caught in space. 

Not losing any sleep over him in particular though. Purdue with Painter will likely be formidable, but not as good as last year. It will take them a while to incorporate whatever Painter has learned from UConn/this past season. 

Captain Obvious statement, but replacing a 2X NPOY is going to be really tough. 

7 minutes ago, Demo said:

I get why Hurley would make the jump, but I just think at this point the Lakers is a $hitty job. Lebron and Davis count something like 100 mil against your cap. Lebron and, I think, Russell come off after next year, but Davis just signed that huge deal, so you’re building around a brittle 30+ guy with no draft capital and marginal tradeable assets. And I don’t buy the notion that seems permanently  baked into the Lakers narrative that every free agent would sell his mother to play there. And it’s not nothin’ that their ownership sucks. If they had OKC’s roster, sure, but, man, I don’t think that gig would be any fun at all.

This is my somewhat (okay, totally) tinfoil hat conspiracy theory, but, ... 

Hurley is notoriously obsessive with coaching. Has claimed for him it's about winning and developing young people. Definitely not doing the latter in the NBA. It's no secret how much his wife wants to be on the east coast... they've been here their entire lives.

But Danny has nothing left to prove in CBB. He can make more money in the pros, and it's definitely not all about money for them... but it's the Lakers. That brand value has such cache, to a guy who lives and breathes basketball, I could see him wanting that prestige. Dont disagree with anything you said - it's totally accurate IMO. Still think he'd be willing to bet on himself that he could win. And if I'm in his shoes... the downside? Things maybe don't work out after 2 years. But at least I gave it a shot. Got to experience LA and all that comes with being the Lakers head coach. And now I've got a golden parachute, so life can be whatever he and his wife want to make it. 

I just laugh at the UConn fans crying about "would you rather 3 peat in storrs or probably get fired after 2-3 years in LA" ... most people who have already reached the pinnacle of their profession would probably pick LA IMO. I'll be very interested to see how this plays out

41 minutes ago, J34 said:

This would probably be a big mistake for Hurley. Lebron has had nine coaches in his career, and seven have been fired. He has all the money he needs.

I tend to agree. Only reason it makes sense for Hurley is A) presumably F U money/generational wealth beyond what he can create in CBB B) stroking the ego doing something his father and brother never have (coaching in the NBA, I'm sure he thinks competing for a title). As a fan of his, would rather see him be king at UConn. As an IU fan... if he wants to leave CBB... see ya, good luck! Lol

1 minute ago, Uspshoosier said:

According to Woj.   Lakers targeting Hurley to become their next coach 

The Knicks or Lakers are probably the only two places that could pull him from UConn. Definitely think they can make an offer he and his wife won't be able to refuse. Especially since his son is done at UConn 

1 hour ago, Demo said:

Now you’ve done it. I’m at home with an uncooperative back so I have nothing better to do than think about this. It could go on for a minute. Off the top of my head and in order of when they played:

1) McGinnis- the anti-Perea. Not a great vertical athlete, but everything else was positively ahead of his time. Upper and lower body strength, 1st step quickness, long speed, change of direction, body control and 1 of the best sets of hands I’ve seen in basketball. If a basketball generation is 15 years, Mac may not have been a generation ahead, he might have been 2. At his peak he was Barkley at 6’8” instead of 6’4”. 
2) Wilkerson- In the mid-70’s 6’7” guys who were probably plus-6 or so with effortless change of direction and body control and legit 40 inch verts basically didn’t exist. As a defensive toolkit he was rare to the point of maybe unique for his time. In the F4 against UCLA he took Raymond Townsend, who was a really good college PG, and smothered that guy. 
3) Smart- probably some upper body stiffness and not great hands from being #1 on an IU list. Length, strength at his size, 1 and 2 foot explosiveness, speed end to end, 1st step, change of direction, all elite. 
4) Oladipo- that a 6’4” 205lb dude could beat literally any defender at all with his 1st step, I’ll never get over how easily he could do it. And then he just had the whole toolkit past that. His body breaking down was such a shame. 
 

Hope the back quits acting up on ya soon.

Great list... Albeit he's ahead of my time slightly, but I kinda feel Smart is generally underrated as one of our program legends. As if his iconic shot almost draws so much attention, it's easy to forget just how important/good of a player he was the rest of the time, too. 

Oladipo was too uber athletic for his body to hold up. And he had some awful luck contract wise in the league. I'd love if he came "home" to Bloomington one day, probably unlikely though. His play style and dunks were iconic... he made IU "cool" for a lot of NJ HS students at the time. People literally applied because they thought Assembly Hall looked bad*ss and Kelley is ranked well lol. 

Always felt like Troy Williams had potential to be that same kind of explosive guy, but couldn't put it together consistently. I'm excited to watch the alums play in some of these newer leagues. Never really tuned in before

7 minutes ago, Demo said:

2 things: 1) Before Newton got hurt I would 100% agree. Hopefully X has seen enough and isn’t just talking. 2) In no universe was Hanner the most athletic player to play at IU unless change of direction, body control, hands and short area quickness are suddenly not part of an athletic profile. 

Amen, hopefully it's genuine from X... Jakai is definitely a sleeper/dark horse factor. I want it to work out here badly. Hope we get to see him run with the other GA guards at least a little bit, even if only in the preseason. Want to see a team that plays with joy this year. 

As for #2... Lol, so true. Hanner was such a frustrating player and in the end, proved to be more trouble than worthwhile. I'd have to go Oladipo for most athletic, in my time anyway. I'm probably missing a bunch of notables though. Who comes to mind for you? 

1 hour ago, Hovadipo said:

I’m most concerned about the band getting moved next to me. I’m one section over from people that have been moved. Love the band, don’t wanna sit by them. 

Completely fair. I'm right there with you, would hate that personally. Hope it works out for you Hov.

10 hours ago, Hovadipo said:

https://x.com/hoosier_huddle/status/1796712028863680622?s=46&t=mD4gvL9jYvVwm8xGPCwpKA
 

Uh…this is an odd (see: sh**ty) way of doing business. Seat selections have been going on over the last few weeks. I almost selected endzone seats - ended up in the corner one section over - and would be raising absolute hell if they did this to me 2 weeks after picking my spot.

I get it. But hey man... they invited them to communicate this to others in their group so they can figure out their options. How considerate! 

I would be annoyed by this too, 100%. Wish I was close enough to get IUFB season tickets this year, but I think I'll just have to settle for a home game. I'm glad that CCC is apparently taking seemingly holistic control (and being given autonomy) on every angle of the program. Relatively small things like where the student section is physically located just goes to show we got an obsessive coach who knows how to win.