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Well, we were going to pay McNeeley $700k per Trilly. So that part of the budget is free again. Lol

I actually like Trey's speech a lot after watching back. I am happy to see him growing more comfortable as a leader/being vocal. If we can take some of the load off him next year backcourt wise, I am excited to watch his 6th year. Whether I like him or not I am happy the players are seemingly rallying behind Woody. I hope we retain a core and build a monster in the portal (color me skeptical for now). These "better portal contacts" really need to translate to a couple early backcourt commits in the transfer portal.

I heard Grand Canyon U is interested in offering him a lifetime contract but only if @AZ Hoosier gets the BOT to approve.

Indiana University will be my favorite G-League team next year. Hope we finish top 6 in the conference.

If I didn't know any better, I'd think Mike was a fan himself. Seems blowing hot air is a personal strength.

This program kinda sucks now :(

Quinn and the BoT can all do me a favor and **** in their hand today.

I'm way hotter at the BS spouted off by Kathy with a C yesterday than anything Mike Woodson has said all year actually lol. These people are laughing at us. They are looking down their nose at you and scoffing

Between Mike Woodson and KathywithaC, I don't love the way "important" people at IU have been speaking to/about fans recently... all year from Woody really. He will be here next year. I will hope Indiana wins basketball games despite the inherent challenges that exist at IU. That's all I got right now.

Us: Okay, so who hires and fires coaches? Do we have a process for that? Cathy: "Some in this discussion think this should be a linear journey, with a rigid, proscribed set of waypoints leading, without exception, to a logical and predictable conclusion" Us: Wait that doesn't really make sense Cathy: "Did you go to IU? Have you ever played any sports? Were you involved with the IUF? Know anyone actually in the athletic department? You ever conduct a coaching search? Probably a good thing fans don't try to do this job, I know you'd like it all to be so complex but it's not. Just hard to understand if you're not familiar with IU beyond your time as a student... or watching it make decisions for the past 30+ years. Plus my friends on the BOT at SEC schools have way more involvement in football than we do, so. But no I'm not criticizing or defending. BTW, Scott Dolson is unqualified and the BOT has nothing to do with the sh*t show before you" EDIT: For the record ... the above is all literally an amalgamation of her posts, using actual quotes throughout. Really no exaggeration.

Thought that was obvious with the birdie ref

"[Scott] If you want to hire Mike Woodson, you come to Mike Woodson." "I am the coach here, understand that [Scott]." Quinn, Cooks, and Simons have my back. Stay in the corner [Scott], you're in timeout. Mike's gotta get his 4.

I can buy that premise 100% At the same time given this year's performance and these sorts of comments, safe to say unless the portal is absolutely amazing, excitement for next year will be very muted. Next year's team will really have to earn back the excitement of a lot of fans who feel alienated by comments, low effort, and too little too late as the peak product this year. Hope these competitors are up for the challenge. Tough to say for sure because we are going to have basically another brand new team next year. We heard a lot about that this year too.

And does not change the fact our only commit asked out of his LOI after it was announced the head coach is coming back. Not much more to say than that, lol. Hope we hit 3-4 home runs and 2-3 doubles in the portal. No plan B (or other contraceptives for getting absolutely ****ed next year)

I apologize in advance to be combative. But It's like a puzzle because it's a bunch of mealy mouth corporate speak that amounts to a whole lot of nothing. I've not found much insight into the 'how' or the 'why' in the course of neither defending nor criticizing this approach. Yawn.

Woodson tonight:

Dolson if I had to venture a guess.

"If you want to hire Mike Woodson, you come to Mike Woodson." "I'm not going anywhere guys." "I am the coach here, understand that." Gee, I wonder who he is speaking to in each of these instances. Disillusioned may not be a strong enough word tonight. Hopefully we buy a good enough roster next year to be competitive despite the built in challenges that exist at Indiana. Season sucked, next year is very much up in the air, and skeptical fans are getting told off for not smiling and nodding along. I'll always hope they win but IUBB is just not must-see/appointment television anymore.

If the point of Woodson's speech was to get people on his train, he failed miserably in that.

I don't think people's intention is to harm the program by withholding donations, etc. I think it's just about not allowing a team/program/university continue to string you along with false hope, when they're not actually pursuing the things they claim to be about. I've just watched the speeches and while I don't personally take offense I totally understand how it is tone deaf and get why people would be miffed. After the season that's been, getting basically a lecture about how bad you are for wanting the program to be better - rather than recognizing that fans are pushing for the program to be at its best - is a hurtful thing for a lot of people to hear. It certainly makes me less inclined to - want - to be invested. Can't help that I am.

Let's hope. The McNeeley loss is still a giant red flag to me. I am really curious if we hold onto Malik and Mgbako. That's the first step to getting disillusioned fans like myself to tap back into what this staff is trying to do. If you retain them and we hear about two high impact guards committing early in the portal window, I will be intrigued. Fair to say everyone's skepticism will be enduring until we see what the team actually looks like on the court.

Maybe a better fit for the transfer portal thread. But a little birdie told me these players might enter the portal. Wish I had the position listed. Hopefully a few guards we could nab. When the staff talks about having better portal connections this go around, I would really like to see some early announcements from the portal. Especially since that's apparently the only recruiting strategy we're going with. - Brandon Gardner (USC) - Dylan Cardwell (Auburn) - KD Johnson (Auburn) - Devin Askew (Cal) - Pop Isaacs (Texas Tech) - Kerwin Walton (Texas Tech) - Chris Lockett (Boise State) - Jaden Schutt (Duke) - Matt Cross (UMass) - Jordan Pope (Oregon State) - Danny Wolf (Yale) - TJ Power (Duke) - Zeke Mayo (South Dakota State) - Terrence Edwards (James Madison) - Michael Eley (Siena) - Wade Taylor IV (Texas A&M) - Nolan Hickman (Gonzaga) - Zhuric Phelps (SMU) - Langston Love (Baylor) - Chris Johnson (Texas) - Baye Fall (Arkansas) - Lee Dort (Vandy) - Trazerian White (UNC Wilmington) - Terrance Arceneaux (Houston) - Connor Essegian (Wisconsin) - Rubin Jones (North Texas) - Chaunce Jenkins (Old Dominion) - Brandon Huntley-Hatfield (Louisville) - Donovan Dent (New Mexico) - Dug McDaniel (Michigan) - Ezra Ausar (East Carolina) - Achor Achor (Samford) - CJ Gunn (Indiana) - Tarris Reed (Michigan) - Judah Mintz (Syracuse) - Erik Reynolds (St. Joe’s) - Khalil Brantley (La Salle) - Brandon Angel (Stanford) - Vasean Allete (Old Dominion) - entered - Riley Kugel (Florida) - JaKobe Coles (TCU) - Alston Mason (Missouri State) - Xavier Booker (Michigan State) - Ugonna Onyenso (Kentucky) - Amari Williams (Drexel) - Jonathan Mogbo (San Francisco) - Will Tschetter (Michigan) - Jalen Blackmon (Stetson) - Jonathan Beagle (Albany) - Layden Blocker (Arkansas) - AJ Hoggard (Michigan State) - Bruce Thornton (Ohio State) - Darlinstone Dubar (Hofstra) - Kanye Clary (Penn State) - Chaz Lanier (North Florida) - Saint Thomas (Northern Colorado) - BJ Omot (North Dakota) - Dawson Garcia (Minnesota) - Ish Leggett (Pitt) - Frankie Collins (Arizona State) - Roddy Gayle (Ohio State) - Earl Timberlake (Bryant) - AJ Storr (Wisconsin) - Aden Holloway (Auburn) - Kobe Sanders (Cal Poly) - Sincere Parker (Saint Louis) - Mawot Mag (Rutgers) - Milos Uzan (Oklahoma) - Kario Oquendo (Oregon) - Camren Hunter (Central Arkansas) - entered - Mekhi Mason (Rice) - Kobe Johnson (USC) - Daniel Batcho (Louisiana Tech) - Elmarko Jackson (Kansas) - Ven-Allen Lubin (Vanderbilt)

Awful lot of blanks to fill in though... a basically blank canvas is interesting, I admit :)

I'm upset we're never going to see Kel'el Ware in March Madness.

Just for the sake of conversation... Can you imagine if MSU scored on that last possession, how different the vibes would be.