HoosierMatty

I guess I should clarify. I'm not really debating coaching acumen, obviously Archie had worse results. I'm saying Woodson has been the worst at killing my fandom. Archie sucked but when we hired him it wasn't the head scratcher that Woody was. Archie was an up comer that other people wanted. Woodson was a failed 60 year old NBA coach. I gave Woody a shot and the initial results were better. But now he's clearly a bust we can't get rid of him. He's taken the most scorched earth approach and attacks the fans, and taunts his own boss for being protected by the donors. If he wasn't who he is the cord would have been cut already

I really don't care about basketball right now. Part of that is because the Football team is rolling, but mostly because of Woodson. We have the talent to win the Big Ten but we will finish 5 or 6th in the conference because of Mediocre Mike. It's sad the guy is a former player but he's doing more right now to burn down last bit of fandom I have. He's worse than all the previous bad hires. My hope is after this pathetic season is over that Dolson is allowed to finally get this right. The Cignetti hire should give him all the leverage he needs.

At this point this is a make or break it year for Woodson. Either he has a great year and shows he can change his offense, or he fails and he won't be back. We aren't going to get recruits like Mullins unless he shows progress. And after this year they have to decide if they extend his contract. I don't have much faith he will turn it around but I hope I'm wrong. If he fails I hope they unshackle Scott Dolson and let him make a good hire. The Cignetti hire hopefully gives him that leverage.

When it comes to Stevens I will believe it the moment it happens. Otherwise I just think it's a pipe dream. That being said if he ever wanted the job or still wants it, I think the whole mash hole speech was over the line.

Winning is obviously most important at Kentucky but you really have to have the right personality. The UK fan base is truly a circus and they need PT. Barnum carnival barker. Someone truly a master of BS. Pintino and Cal excelled at both. Toward the end Cal's ego started to bug the fans but that's because he wasn't winning as much. Before they lapped it up. I'm not sure how many of their candidates can adapt to having a more show man like personality. But as long as they win I guess it doesn't matter. As a Cat fan once told me, I would hire Bin Laden if he wins. Pretty much sizes up their fan base.

Looking at things objectively I don't see Calipari going to Arkansas being a good thing for them. He will bring in recruits but I don't see how the results will better for them than UK. As much as he wanted to get away from their fans base he will have to deal with them when they play at Rupp and it will be ugly. Almost Pitino at U of L bad. It will be curious to see if UK can get a big name. At least they get a chance at finding something better. We are stuck with our arrogant 64 year old with a outdated offense.

I can't imagine Hurley ever leaving UConn especially since he's already winning national titles, is a north east guy and getting paid lots of money. Just don't see it .

So if we have no traction in the portal is there a chance they fire / retire Woodson?

No coaching hire is 100 percent guaranteed to succeed. I get that Dusty has more risk than others, but it really sucks if he does succeed at UM. Because if he does he will likely take in state recruits and kick our butts too. And there is no guarantee we can get him later if he succeeds there. And you will bet UM will give him a huge buyout.

You know we've just about hit rock bottom as fans when we are trying to do the mental gymnastics necessary to convince ourselves "Alford" isn't that bad.

If Auburn chokes in the tournament do we reach out again? Or does this nightmare continue regardless?

So if Dolson has to get a proven winner like Pearl, does that mean Pearl said no ?

I think context is always important. People turned on Woodson quickly because he was someone no one asked for or thought was qualified to begin with. People gave him a chance but we have seen the same problems each year get worse. Now he has no recruiting class. I agree part of the problem is fans are so restless from the years of just making stupid hire after stupid hire. It was never the fans fault these coaches didn't work out

I really hate we have to go through another year of this for us to just turn around and fire him. And we lose out our opportunity to get the 25 recruits because they will have likely committed somewhere else. It also hurts our ability to get the best coaching options. If Dusty May takes a job somewhere else like Louisville or Ohio State, he's not going leave for IU after just a year. And who knows if Pearl is still an option. We always find a way to screw ourselves.

Dakich is contrarian man. He was taking a dump on Woodson and complaining that we wouldn't fire him and even attacking Buckner. I remember when he used to hate on Crean all the time, but said we shouldn't have fired him. He has no convictions or beliefs other than how can I get attention

IU has to have the top or one of the top NIL programs in the big ten yet now we don't have a single recruit. How is more money going to make much of a difference? Between this and if we have a massive amount of our players enter the portal there has to be more internal discussions now. Keep or get rid of, I don't see how the plan stays the same. Even the big money donors backing him have to reevaluate. This is insanity.

Let's be honest. The whole city of Lexington would be burnt to the ground form the massive couch bonfire.

Is it possible if with this news and if we have basically our whole team leave the administration does a 180?

We have a very passionate fan base. Almost as bad as Kentucky. Now for 20 plus years we have been sold garbage and mediocrity by an insane administration that lives in a separate universe from their fans. They don't care about basketball or winning in a basketball loving state. So yeah we have become toxic and they share a lot of blame in that. Just think if UK had an administration like ours? Their fans would raided their offices with pitch forks and torches ! It's not fair to put it all on us.

We aren't getting anyone in the portal. Woody has had some success in the portal the past couple seasons but it's going to come to an end after this season. These players will see what an outdated system we run. Plus half our team is going to leave. Why do this ? It's hard enough for someone new to come in and fix this. And they expect the guy who created this needs to fix it? These people are beyond stupid. It's all about feelings and friendships. Nothing sound or logical in their thinking.

This is a program surrounded by idiots who just care about their feelings instead of winning.

I thought Woodson had said they had interviewed for the job before Miller was hired. He just didn't feel like it was a serious interview. To be honest if I was Glass I would be annoyed to interview someone whom you have no interest in hiring because they have zero qualifications. Just that their an alum and coached unsuccessfully in the NBA. But it makes former players Happy. How about let's make serious big boy decisions and not worry about people's feelings.

Even if he wasn't told to, he must know enough that it's likely he isn't back. And he's willing to take the calculated risk of making that happen by releasing that information. Guys like him need access. If Woodson was definitely coming back he would be shooting himself in the foot right now.

That and I'm tired of the media saying we wanted a knight guy former player. The only people who wanted that were former players. Any fans that wanted that were the minority and that was just code for Alford. We want a proven winner. That's it.

At this point maybe the scorched earth approach is the only way to get Quinn out of the way.