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If people are discussing it, what are they discussing? What is meant by him being "handcuffed?"

In this case, yes I would. Think about what you are saying. This isn’t some guy with a job down at the quarry. This is a very public job. If my employer was not allowing me to fully do my job in this case, yes, I would dare them to fire me. As far as the rest of it, let’s just go with the coincidence theory. I guess it’s just a coincidence that the team can no longer shoot jump shots or free throws. Has nothing at all to do with the offense or coaching. Sent from my iPad using BtownBanners mobile app

Count me as skeptical. Have they told him he has to stick with an offense that is flawed? Have they told him players are not allowed to practice shooting? I would love to know what "handcuffing" means. I mean, are they giving him the starting lineup? I guess I just find it really hard to believe that a guy who is as set in his ways as Archie has shown to be would allow much in the way of meddling. If he has, he isn't the coach I thought he was. But, I guess I've already come to that realization.

Yeah, I don't disagree. But I've seen teams with less talent impose their will.

I was thinking something similar this morning. I was trying to remember the last game I saw us impose our will on someone. I'd love to see this team come out and just bully the other team, but I really can't remember the last time I saw that. That's why most teams are so tough at home. They have the attitude of, "Not in our house." You just don't see that at all with this team, or really, any team since Archie has been here.

I guess I'm probably in the minority here, but I personally don't think this team gets substantially better until Smith is gone. He starts every game, and plays a lot of minutes, so I would assume he is the standard Archie wants. He must be an awesome practice player. I get he's a pretty decent defender when he wants to be, but on good days he plays to about 75% of his capabilities. Most times he just seems to be going through the motions. He reminds me of someone just putting in their time, but not really enjoying their job. It's sad that he is one of our most consistent players. Consistency is great if it's toward the top end of the spectrum. I just feel like he is consistently average.

I’ve been a fan since the early 80’s. I still remember watching the ‘81 title game live on TV. I’ve seen a lot of really good basketball and then a lot of not so much. I was really getting discouraged in Crean’s last couple years, and I was excited that Archie was going to bring back a defense first, fundamental soundness, and accountability that we hadn’t seen for a while. I have to say I think I’m even more discouraged now. Honestly, this brand of basketball is just hard for me to watch. This team is so frustrating. There is talent n this team, but it seems largely untapped. The fact that Archie allows it to keep happening tells me he approves. If we have so few alternatives in his third year that he doesn’t approve, but is powerless to make the appropriate changes, it is an indication that he doesn’t know how to build a program at this level. Regardless of what anyone says, I think the vast majority of fans would be behind this team if we saw a team that cared, game in and game out. If we saw the effort put forth every game, I think we could handle the occasional dud. But, what we see is the same players doing the same things game after game, and in some cases, year after year. Nothing changes because the coach resists change. Someone needs to clue him in that it is not working. Sent from my iPad using BtownBanners

Don’t despair... year 3 is when it’s all going to click. Oh wait... Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app

Hard to understand with Archie being a former guard. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app

Really tired of hearing that we need to give it a few more years because the upper class men are not Archie's guys. That's a total cop out. That does not mean they can't be developed. That does not mean they can't be motivated. Doesn't mean they aren't basketball players.They are either part of the team or they are not. Shame on Archie if it took him 3 years to figure out they aren't.

He was trying to be cute and infer that it was due to the officiating. I agree there was no reasoning behind what got called and what didn't, but that is almost every game in the B1G. We didn't get calls because of the way we were playing.

But, we were a ridiculously unrealistic fan base for wanting a change.

Because he's old. ...and also a cheater. I've heard that affects your hearing.

I guess I would never compare Green to Favre. Favre won GB way more games than he lost them, so you were willing to put up with a few INT's. Green, on the other hand, is part of a class that has never made it to the Tournament. What I saw yesterday was an offense that totally stalled down the stretch with Green directing it. They went from cutting to just standing around. Obviously, there are 4 other players out there, but if Green is just standing in one spot dribbling the ball, there isn't going to be a lot of movement. Maybe that was the plan, I don't know. I always feel like if you get 5 good minutes from Green, it's time to get him out because you're living on borrowed time. He plays hero ball, always wanting to make the Sports Center play, but he's rarely good enough to be the hero. I agree that CAM didn't recruit him, but he is hardly powerless to merely play the hand he was dealt. He's had plenty of time to develop Green or shuffle the deck and get new cards.

We know who he is. He should never be playing at the end of a close game. That’s on Miller. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app

Makes me like CAM more...

So I didn't see it. Was Kansas just trying to run the clock out or were they trying to score? To me, that makes the difference. If they are running a play and trying to score, then stealing the ball is fair game. If they are just dribbling the ball until the clock runs out, that's a pretty low class move.

I get what some are saying about the players being responsible. I'm not saying it is all on Archie, but we have definitely seen a few trends in Archie's time here. You cannot deny that our shooting percentages in general and especially 3's have decreased fairly dramatically in his time here. Add to that our declining percentages from the free throw line, and there is a definite trend. Few of us can say what is going on at practice, but from the outside looking in, it certainly seems like something needs to change. This team is definitely not a mentally tough team, and you can see the hesitation at times. They seem to overthink while on the court, but then other times act like they don't care. Again, not sure why, but this has been a definite trend in the last 2.5 years. If a team takes on the personality of their coach, I'm not sure what to think or when/how it is going to change.

But in the end, it is Archie. He is also responsible for the personnel.

Logistically, I agree he has to play. Though, sometimes I think I would rather see a team that is out there busting their a$$es and losing by 20 than the lackadaisical, careless play we see in many long stretches.

Chris, do you think he starts against OSU? I guess, to me, that will be the first indicator that something has actually changed. Knowing how resistant Archie seems to change and that Green has started the last several, that's the first thing I'm looking at as to any actual philosophical changes being made.

I was just responding something very similar to this.

I would think the only reason to change positions is because that is where he is expected to play if he makes it in the NFL.

Wow... pathetic. Sent from my iPad using BtownBanners

That is the only thing that makes him change anything. Sent from my iPad using BtownBanners mobile app