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Evidence that he may be gone. So we are at one thing saying Crean may stay (He's still recruiting) and one that he may be gone (Glass saying nothing). I am discrediting all "supposed insiders" as evidence since I believe no one. Like I said tea leaves are pointing sideways with no real evidence either way. We'll see what happens.

Or he's been told nothing so he is working business as usual. Often people fired from jobs conduct business normally till the moment they are fired even if the signs of it happening are likely. I am not saying we know for sure Crean will or won't be back but nothing I've seen so far (still recruiting, message board insiders) to sway me either way based on available evidence. I am still unsure and waiting to see how it plays out.

Another supposed insider. I trust no one. He may be right but lets see what happens. Social media has turned our world to the point where one posts from a supposed insider causes hundreds a mass freakout. The good and the bad of modern technology and social media are at work.

Does this freak out have more to do with actual "inside info" (which I don't believe) or the fact that no move has been made yet? Either way people need to chill and see what happens.

Isn't Waters already signed with Georgetown?

Why is everyone using quotes Glass said about Crean 2 yrs ago to determine if he will be back next yr? I have not heard him say anything about Crean in last few days or even this year. As a matter of fact he specifically declined interviews to the media right now and said nothing recently.

Everyone on this board is bi-polar. No one on this board knows anything. If the truly insider guy is the "janitor" (which who knows how much he knows although he seems to have a good record) he has not said anything about Crean returning unless I've missed it. He's just says Alford's interest is from his side and not IU's in last couple days. Let's see how this plays out.

Get tourney away from Indy and we are decent. 8-9 in games away from Indy and at least 1 win 6 times in 10 yrs. Indy we are 3-10 with 1st rd elimination 7 times in 10 yrs. Even Crean is 3-2 with at least a win in all 3 tourneys elsewhere. 1-6 in Indy with elimination in 1st game 5 times in 6 yrs.

Link to the chat: http://www.tribstar.com/indiana/sports/chat-live-with-cnhi-sports-indiana-s-terry-hutchens-at/html_63b1698f-f3d0-51f2-bd23-30317583774f.html

Something to note is in Terry Hutchen's currently live chat this week he has completely changed his tune from Crean may be back to Crean is probably gone. He's clearly heard something this week (as he's confirmed on chat).

It always has seemed IU has gotten a bit of media coverage in Louisville (although way less than Louisville and Kentucky) between Bozich and their IU coverage in the Courier Journal and even highlights are often on local news. I know a huge amount of their market stretches into Indiana but so do Cincinnati's and Chicago's and IU is invisible in the media to these two cities. Heck, even in football the Colts are tied with the Bengals for the cities favorite NFL team and are shown every week there. I understand Cincy and Chicago have NFL teams of their own so I get that. In general I've always wondered why Louisville has had no problem aligning with Indiana's teams while other states border cities ignore us?

I half wonder if also Chicago (the people living there) kind of considers itself superior to Indiana and thinks it is much bigger and better than our state (that's the vibe I get from friends living there and no knock on them at all for feeling that way and they are great people) so they don't think they need to give anything in our state the time of day (heck they don't even like associating with northwest Indiana which is their metro area). Same with Cincy to a lesser extent. Louisville on the other hand certainly does not feel superior to Indiana and people their don't mind "Hoosiers" (state residents not the team) so they are more likely to like and associate with someone or something from our state. No idea if this is true but a theory I have thought of since starting the thread. I can however, promise you the Chicago market (not sure on Cincy) has way more IU fans and alums than Louisville yet receives maybe 1/100 of the attention from the media.

"Scheduling conflict" sounds a bit weird and how did it just happen now? What is going on that week that IU already committed to? It sounds like again Crean (if he is still our coach) is trying to make the easiest schedule possible which has been an issue throughout his tenure. Are we replacing these games with someone else or leaving just Louisville, Notre Dame Big East and ACC Games as big games? We have always participated in at least our own tourney so if this creates a decent match up at home like we did with Butler or SMU I am all in FAVOR but if it's simply to replace these 2 MSG games with 2 more cupcakes all of Thanksgiving IU has some explaining to do. If this is a situation where IU found out both it's Big East and ACC games are on road and we are replacing it with a good home game hallelujah and I'm happy. If were simply plugging in cupcakes because we want an easier schedule this is very bad. This is a key question that needs to be answered with this move and until then I remain skeptical.

If we miss tourney Teri Moren can follow Crean right out the door. I'm sorry but after that collapse she can't coach here regardless of what she has done in past. Rationally, she has gotten the team to a higher point that they have ever been but a lot of this is Curt Miller's player's still. Like a lot of others coaches in this situation I am waiting to see what she does with her own recruits (although she has recruited very well so far including the first 5* recruit in program history next year) when they take the court. It is very much a wait and see game with her with some very good (last year) and some very bad (a slight underachievement this year although not bad and her 1st year was awful) and jury is still out.

Hopefully the forwards can score and be the answer to our problems offensively. If Hyacinth is out there starting first game we know despite the ranking the class was a bust in some ways. To me this class rides on one of these freshman being able to step in and be our starting forward right away.

Dumb headline name for thread. I absolutely agree Crean needs to go but to say Glass accepts mediocre basketball is an unproven theory at this point. Glass was not going to nor should he of fired Crean after last year when winning a Big Ten championship and he's also not going to fire him mid-season. If this keeps up and a change is not made than we can talk about accepting mediocre basketball but at the moment what is Glass to do? For all we know he may be looking and gauging candidates for making changes after the season. Crean's problem is to many peaks and valleys. His highest points are the best we've had since Knight was fired but his lowest are the worst of any coach since before Knight. At some schools what Crean is doing acceptable. He was pretty similar at Marquette with ups and downs and now here. I certainly think there are schools where a good year for every bad one will work but not here.

I'm mind blown that as of now the Nebraska game is nearly sold out (just top of balcony left) but the Wisconsin game has plenty of tickets left (a good amount at top of main level and most of balcony). Do our fans not understand that they need to show up far more against Wisconsin and provide a big time atmosphere? I understand why the Illinois game has sold so well (only scattered singles left) as it is a weekend and those sell better. However, there is zero excuse for fans to be buying tickets in droves to see Nebraska but not Wisconsin. Can someone please explain this to me?

Well IU just released the remaining tickets for winter break in interactive map format where you can choose your seat so the official remaining tickets for the 3 games are: 1. Nebraska has 488 seats left with blocks of tickets left in the last few rows of the corner balcony sections and scattered singles in rest of balcony 2. Wisconsin has 7 main level singles left and about 1,600 in the balcony including large blocks in every part of it 3. Illinois has 88 singles left scattered throughout the balcony so it is essentially sold out The announced attendance is always a little lower than tickets left based on past precedent so by the time everything sells you will probably have announced attendance similar to what is left now. Nebraska will probably be somewhere in the upper 16,000 range (capacity is now 17,222 since renovations). Wisconsin will be in the the mid 15,000's and Illinois a sellout. Again I understand the reasoning but it blows my mind that Wisconsin is by far the toughest sell of the 3 Big Ten games. Illinois being a weekend makes sense to me but I thought ticket demand for Nebraska and Wisconsin would be flipped. It brings me back to the threads original point that fans are just looking to go to a game (and the week of holiday break is more convenient a lot) and do not really pay attention to the quality of the opponent which is to bad.

I don't believe the week difference matters as this has been the ticket situation for several weeks. I do think the holiday break matters and had not thought of that when posting the question. I would not be confidant in a complete sellout though. Even last year the Wisconsin game drew 14,098 in a similar situation which was the smallest announced crowd of the year (obviously many of our pre-season cupcake "sellouts" with students had way less in actuality). The lower level will sell out but don't be surprised if we get a similar 14,000-15,000 crowd like we did last year and the smallest of the Big Ten season. This is the one game you really wish students were here and we had a maximum atmosphere. Remember Wisconsin was the team that came closest to beating us in the Hall last year. This game scares me a lot and is the one game at home I am not confident we will win. Just for reference I was very confident we would beat UNC and Kansas and was really worried about the Butler game (so far the only game that has fooled me is Fort Wayne). If anyone is interested I have a good feeling about the Louisville game.

Almost everyone has IU headed to bowl in Santa Clara. Last I checked that is also IU's Big Ten opener at home. Does the NCAA not have a provision to not let these cross? This makes things incredibly tough on fans (granted bowl is at 8:30 and basketball at 7 so only a slight overlap) who want to attend both and even tougher on media and radio who can't do or be in and broadcast in 2 places at once. Can IU not fight tooth and nail for a different bowl for this reason? I wish the hypocritical NCAA would work with bowl games to ensure these games don't overlap for the fairness of all involved for ANY school. This is not pre-conference cupcakes for basketball anymore but conference games now that should not be over shadowed by exhibition bowls.

Well as the person who started this thread kudos to Glass for solving this situation by moving basketball to 6:30 and than letting people watch bowl game from their seats after on big screen. I have been critical of Glass recently but this was handled 100% perfectly by him given he had no control over the start time of the bowl game!

From what it sounds like Fred Glass did right thing but this is THIRD time a coach on his watch has had off field issues. First the softball coach nearly got axed for abusing player, than the women's coach axed for something having to do with off field incident and way he treated people I think, now Wilson for abusing players. How many questionable characters can Glass bring in before people wonder? Interestingly I have met Glass a few times and really like him and think he is a great guy but clearly his judgment in people's character when hiring is an issue. This needs to be addressed.

Also Alex Bozich just reminded everyone on Twitter (and I forgot about this) is they had to dismiss the Tennis coach for a similar reason and Water Polo coach for an unknown reason (although it should be noted program was winning at a high level when dismissed). A disturbing pattern?

If what the Oklahoma player said about ripping players helmet off is true clearly they're were warning signs prior to the hire. Also look how long it took Glass to act as this has been going on for several years. As I said I think Glass is a great guy but clearly he is over looking character issues based on the examples of the 3 coaches I citied above. I would have no problem with Glass staying on as AD but having nothing to do with future hires of coaches. However, trustees need to audit his hiring process

I distinctly remember when the IU-Fort Wayne game was announced that IU was in charge of ticket distribution and it would be considered a neutral site game. Now all of the sudden it is being referred to as a 'road game' by every fan, media and person talking about it. What happened? While it helps IU for KenPom and the RPI to consider it a "road game", when it is not even in Fort Wayne's regular gym and will be 3/4 IU fans it should go down as a neutral site win as was talked about when game was announced. Looks like we got a cushier deal than we thought getting something called a 'road game' that was never suppose to be:).