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No sh*t. One of my favorite things about the Knight era was you pretty much knew what you were going to get. Some nights other teams were better but the ebbs and flows and the massive coaching disparity was never there. Indiana didn't shoot 12 fewer FT's than their opponent or miss them as consistently as they do now. They generally had point guards. Knight knew which 5 kids played well together and didn't keep trying to succeed with kids who didn't. Woodson showed tonight why he was fir.....I mean why he felt it was best he retire. He got abused tonight.

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I hope beating that school at anything is never the bar at Indiana. Gotta' do more than beat a team that has a local following (regional at best), an ag school who's never won anything, and a fan base that chants we suck at every kickoff, even when they're playing Southern New Mexico.

Happens in 80%+ of street circuit races. I think it really detracts from a good product.

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Nice time to start playing well and Reneau really helps..... where has this been all season? Good grief, Woody. Could have saved 1900 pages of new coach speculation.

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So what? Because nobody had the balls to correct their behavior this time, it's no big deal? Herd mentality is a problem. I've got 2 at IU right now and they along with their older brother were with me away from the student section. Guess what? They were embarrassed. It's not okay and I don't care if "lots of them were doing it." Lots of good kids do lots of stupid sh*t. Doesn't make any of it okay.

Whatever the reason, last night was preventable and ridiculous. Thanks for that information. Explains a lot.

It is to people who understand why I said what I said. Kids who have never been told "no" behave like that. Entitled brats behave like that. People who are never held accountable and risk nothing behave like that. So...uuuuhhh....yeah. It is that big of a deal. It looks like **** on a University in which I have a lot of pride and I don't want idiots staining it.

Please drop the GC thing. That guy is long gone. I don't know who it was completely or wasn't, but it makes us all look bad and shouldn't be tolerated. Especially if we're steering clear of coaching candidates for things that either didn't happen but were alleged, or for things that happened a while ago and would now be perfectly fine. Either we're playing the card that we're above it and better than that or we're like everyone else or worse, Purdue.

In public I do. They're representing a University and if we're going to be "that school" who won't hire Chris Beard because of an allegation and charges which were dropped, we can't then be a place that openly allows classless and frankly trash behavior by however many thousands of people did it.

Students made fools of themselves. I don't care that "everyone does it." Classless to chant "f*ck Ace Baldwin" all night.

That's because of every reason I detailed before. This is the first unobstructed men's basketball hire at Indiana University since 1971. TJ Otzelberger has never been past the round of 16, never won his conference at the D1 level, has had 2 losing records in conference in 33% of his D1 seasons, and I just don't see why he's any more special than anyone else.

He's 5'10" and 150 pounds. Great high school guard, not a Big Ten player

Guaranteed? I disagree. Lots of elite coaches go to 4 final fours in 20 years. If you believe we can't achieve that, you already lose. Here are a few recent examples Bill Self Tom Izzo Mike Krysiewski Roy Williams 'Jim Boeheim Jim Calhoun John Calipari Rick Pitino Billy Donovan Jay Wright Hell...Ben Howland went to 3 in a row. That's not a lofty or unreasonable goal at Indiana.

I really hope IU can do better than a guy who's had just a good season or two. I don't want guys with pretty clear ceilings. I think Otzelberger, Williams, Cronin, and some others are okay, but does anyone thing any of those guys ever has a chance to be great? Here for 20 years; 6-8 Big Ten titles, 3-4 final fours, etc? I'm used to having unpopular takes but it would feel like settling to me if we hired any of those guys. I like the idea of Chris Collins with more resources and better players..I think he'd be really good here. I like the idea of Brad Brownell because he's from Indiana and was a high school team mate of Calbert Cheaney (who I REALLY want IU to keep) I like the idea of Ben McCollum or Josh Schertz because I think both have high ceilings. And both fit the Cignetti mold. I'd love Chris Beard and he'd crawl to Bloomington. If IU can look past the allegations.....yes, please One man's opinion.

I'd support it for sure more than some other names I see all the time.

Had they? And if Mbako would even TRY to? And Carlyle could do.....anything positive? IU would be 22-5 instead of 16-11. Woodson finally benched kids who weren't playing hard and figured out who he can't play together. That second half was spectacular and I'm happy for all involved. I promise Leal and Galloway were very vocal at halftime. Last shot at these dudes....etc. It worked.

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Yeah, but you dropped some other names, too. I've made my comments about Buzz. Not one bit interested. He and platitudes are good friends. Calhoun is on same level as McCollum and Schertz to me and 3rd on that list Byington is only okay. Same w DeVries and Murray. Just "guys." Gates? You're more interested in a guy with an overall .570 winning % and who in year 2 at Missouri had a winless conference season over a guy who's won 81% of his games overall and won 24 games this season? Pitino, Jr. - over who? He's not even been "good." His record is very mediocre and we beat him regularly with very average teams. I like Brownell, too. Collins is interesting. I'd love to see what he can do with more and better resources. I don't see any of these guys as more sure things at IU than McCollum is. I like Schertz better and I think I'd be happy with Brownell; but Buzz is all Texas and doesn't fit here. His brand of basketball is solely "be more athletic." His offense is 100% ball centric and stands around way too much. Watched them yesterday. TJ Otz.... I'm not sure on him. I think he's okay....but I also think we've seen his ceiling. I'd support him but I question whether or not he can be a 20-year "great" coach. I think Schertz and McCollum offer that chance more than he does. The danger I see is fans judging next season because of the precedent set by the football program. Again, one man's opinion. I like Schertz.... and the only case against McCollum I've seen is "not enough experience yet." But....he wins. Like I said, I'd rather have the next great coach and give him a season or two if his next 20 will be great than watch him succeed elsewhere and have our ceiling be the Sweet 16 once in a while because we missed the timing again and settled for "someone with more experience" even if his record isn't nearly as good.

This is an argument that probably needs to stop. His current Drake team vs the current IU team isn't up for discussion unless you think he can only recruit Valley-level players to Indiana. He's a great basketball coach. He could and would, like ANY coach at Indiana, recruit and land FAR better players. With far better players and better coaching, Indiana beats Drake by 25 on most nights. That the game would be this close (5 points or so I'm reading) is a much worse indictment of Mike Woodson than McCollum. To me, that argument (this season's matchup between Drake and IU) is silly. (I love that word) Also, long term vs short term. Long term? Can anyone make a claim McCollum doesn't have a better than average chance to succeed at Indiana all things considered? The dude has won BIG for his entire career regardless of talent level. We're not going from making canned soup to making microchips for Gen 27 space suits, here. Bigger and more athletic players ain't THAT much different.

Who's your horse, and why? Maybe we should start there. I don't think Cignetti is a terrible example at all. McCollum was a head guy in his early 30's. Cignetti not until he was in his 50's. Your point (or at least the one to which I was responding) was the size of the entity for which the head coach, whoever he is, will be responsible. I don't think, given the environment and current set of rules, McCollum is much less qualified than anyone else and he can flat coach. Who's to say a few of Drake's players (they have 8 non-seniors including 3 of their top 5 scorers) don't come with him? That'd help the connectivity just like James Madison players helped in football. That team already beat Vanderbilt, Miami, and Kansas State, so they can play at the power 5 level. The argument against him in my opinion is he's never recruited at a level this high, nor has he recruited or coached with or against the size. Woodson was used to the size and is still abysmal, so there's no guarantee either way and I understand that. I'm just far more interested in him than I am someone like Buzz Williams or Mick Cronin. But....that's my opinion. I think I'm more interested in Schertz than McCollum.

No program will win consistently doing this.