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Nobody said he shouldn't sign autographs. Not the point. At all. Who cares what fans expect? That's their problem.

I think we are.... game tied at 52,...they took a lead on a dunk by Andre Weston (or whatever his last name is) As I said above, Smith hedged the ball screen like he had the whole game. Romeo was out of position in help side....way too far away from the center line/low spot, and had too much ground to cover in order to get there to take a charge or at least challenge the shot so it wasn't a dunk.

Smith did what he'd been doing the whole game. He hedged the ball screen to cut off the drive. When his man slipped it, he had a clear path to the rim because Romeo was in "help" WAY too far toward his man who was in the corner away from the ball. The point I heard today which I agreed with 100% was you can't have just one 1 and done guy. Agree with your assessment. You have to recruit the 5* in state kids; and Romeo would be just fine if he had better pieces around him and a jump shot. Another point I heard was he scored so many points driving to the hole against teams that had nobody who could stop him, he developed bad habits...which is true. In the NBA, he will have that opportunity again because you can't completely help off perimeter guys, and bigs can draw their guy to at least the foul line. Personally, I'd have liked to see Romeo catch the ball within 15 feet rather than 21-22 feet all the time.

Absolutely. Couldn't agree more. But....regardless of what entity created it, as long as he's at Indiana, he really needs to either be part of this team and play the role he should play or get on with his life and leave the team. The situation at Indiana right now is unacceptable and it was Romeo out of position on that slipped screen back door cut that won the game for OSU. He was 3-4 feet from where he should have been, and he was too low. He's where he should be, tat dunk never happens. He's not helping anything doing what he did and if he's about Romeo and not Indiana, that kills a locker room and a team's chemistry.

Am I the only one who thinks Bruiser Flint is absolutely worthless? Guy has skirted NCAA trouble a few times and I think all he does is play yes man to Archie and collect a pay check. Was a very mediocre head coach and I just don't know what he brings. At least Schilling has in-state connections or I'd feel the same about him. Who's the "x and o" guy on this staff?

Not the case at all. You guys paint a picture of Dakich that just isn't accurate. He was exactly right about Romeo today. No reason for any player to be out of the locker room...in uniform, laughing with his family 10 minutes after a loss. The autograph hounds can wait. Family will be there. If you give a damn, it doesn't happen the way it did happen.

Thanks. It's more sad to me than anything. More because the university has made a conscious decision that winning isn't important. Guaranteed scholarships, 24 programs, 1 team, kumbaya, BS. I just don't want to be apathetic about Indiana Basketball. I miss caring about it. Go Hoosiers.

That's probably good advice, but I've spent almost 50 years emotionally invested in Indiana Basketball and lowering my expectations seems like losing hope.

That can either be used as a time to crumble or a time for someone to step up and lead. If there was indeed an altercation, I hope it included players being pissed at some of the selfish and ridiculously brainless things that seem to happen game after game.

Indiana's offense is so vanilla right now it's hard to know who they can score more than 30 points against in the half court. They're fine in transition...not as efficient as Crean's teams because they can't shoot as well and a couple of players are turnover prone; but generally not bad. They don't run set plays; they don't run unique or special action very often and when they do, it doesn't generally work well. It's like there's no imagination. No brain on the bench that can draw something up to get Romeo a lane to drive or a mismatch in the post for Morgan.. Something went wrong somewhere. It sounds too simple to blame it on Phinisee going down with injury, but he hasn't been the same since and the team hasn't been the same since. Before the injury, Phinisee shot 44.4% from the floor. Since? 27.1%. Before the injury, he had 42 assists in 11 games....3.8/game. Since? 15 assists in 9 games. 1.7/game. Is it that simple? Probably not. But it's a factor. People point to the Marquette game as the barometer for what Indiana can be. They still only made nine 3's. I know...seems like a million; but it's not like they set records. But...they also had 18 assists (Phinisee had 8) and shot 23 FT's. Morgan and Langford had 23 shots between them. I know Fitzner went off too...that helped. But....Green didn't play. The dichotomy? Louisville. Only made four 3's. Had only 10 assists. Made just one more FG than Louisville who made ELEVEN 3's. The difference? Indiana was aggressive and shot 25 FT's. Today? 7 FT's. Against Rutgers? Just 7 assists. Point being, the problems seem to change. There's not really a consistent numbers problem....there are just consistent problems. Sometimes it's turnovers. Sometimes it's lack of bench productivity. Sometimes it's bad shots or inability to get GOOD shots. Sometimes it's the wrong guys shooting. Sometimes it's lack of movement of players or the ball. Sometimes it's a combination. But they've really only played one complete game against a good team, and that was Marquette. Since then and especially since Central Arkansas....something's just missing. Off. Archie clearly doesn't have the answer, nor do his assistants. I sure don't.

To summarize the thread : Green had no interest in anyone else taking that shot. His selfish, playground mantra got the best of him. Nobody was surprised. Some think we still need him. A couple (me included) disagree. Davis didn't play enough; Smith played too much. Smith and Green took too many shots. Morgan and Durham (who nobody seemed to see today) didn't take enough. And we still don't fit.

AMEN!

https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/columnists/gregg-doyel/2019/02/06/blackford-phenom-luke-brown-leads-state-scoring-lifts-community-gregg-doyel-indiana-basketball/2779212002/?fbclid=IwAR0UIEXhlmUiwfb4mT1yKliOUOcNK8RCnB1eCVekoIWsO1421fFOyZ3I8Wo For what it's worth, Blackford is currently ranked 136th of 410 schools in Sagarin's computer ranking. Not great, but ahead of Indy Tech, Plymouth, McCutcheon, Vincennes (all 4A schools with some "history") and a whole bunch of other 4A schools. In the video here, he looks just fine getting into the paint; but I'm not sure any school will need him to do that at the next level. I really don't see a downside giving this kid serious consideration. He's only a sophomore...and likely knows exactly what he needs to do to play at the next level.

He's not the lone big anymore; and the fact that he's having to play as that guy is all on Archie. I know what Fitzner is and what he isn't, but even a minute or two with Fitzner on the opponent's "big" giving Morgan a break here and there is fine, and Davis is clearly ready for 15-20 minutes every night. Morgan should under no circumstance have to do what he's doing as a big man for as long as he's doing it. That's 100% on Archie.

Sure I did. Wait....wrong about what?

Hey! You used "stupid" again!! Your vocabulary is really......good. (That's an observation, right?) You have posted observations....almost 13,000 times. Nice. Did you mean yours "has" or yours "have?" Just curious.

For giggles.... Here's what you have to offer....just in the last 4 hours. Seriously. Where do you come up with this brilliance? (Congratulations on your rookie of the year status, though. That's really cool. With posts like these...you've earned it) Yep.... Of course we are we only have 2 returning that we can trust Pretty stupid to use a 1 and done for a multi year rebuild Just a reminder Holtmann has had less time at OSU. And it was generally believed the cupboard was barer Archie needs to do better Tie the game then stupid shot and stupid turnover We suck at unopposed shots. Whether they are open 3s or FTs Edit : Okay one more. Since I've only been right about Phinisee.....here's a quote from you about Green. Now where have I heard THIS before? "Green has no feel for the game"

No...calling out grammar = I don't tend to take seriously people who can't write. Really? Try me. What do you want to argue about? Let's do that publicly because people are so interested it seeing that. Would you like for me to copy/paste the brilliance you add to this board every day? You've used the word "stupid" a lot. So does my 8 year old. Let's have it....go.

I made a straw man comment which you are taking literally. Well done. Then you need to (again) remove your personal bias and do your homework, because that's an idiotic comment. (while you're at it, take an English class. Good Lord, man)

I have no interest in lowering my expectations. Of anything. Nothing great is ever accomplished with lowering expectations. I'm glad you had a great time at the fair. That you made a choice that was better for you today. I've done the same and it sometimes feels better to DVR the game and never watch it because I was doing something else. Been there, done that. Good advice. But....that does not mean my expectations are lowered.

You have no idea if he has what it takes to get the job done here or not. What do you see so far that would give you even a glimmer of thought that's true? On top of that, what have you seen that says he can do it here better than anyone else we could hire? He's been here 2 years and his record is the same as Archie's. 29-26. Stop it. You're trolling.

It's not quite this simple. There are/were more than 3 factors involved.

Hhhmm...trying to understand why (or if) that has any meaning at all 4 stops and 15 years later. Indiana fired the last coach to have an undefeated national champion. That was 24 years later... Is there a time frame inside of which things like this matter? At all?

It would be if Indiana had the foresight to either hire basketball coaches instead of a system coach or a guy who had one good season because he had a hall of famer and 2 other NBA players on a team or another guy who......well, I have no idea why we hired Mike Davis. Or go find people who truly understand how to succeed at a fishbowl like Indiana and guys who embrace it (Fife and Lewis? Here's a check. Put numbers on it and get on Indiana's bench next to Archie.) Bruiser? You're an east coast guy. A bad coach who seems to offer nothing, You won 53% of your games as a head coach. Wow. That's pretty mediocre. You're not doing a good job. Bye. Ed Schilling? Everyone's buddy? You ran a great camp; but you obviously can't "x and o." You're not holding kids accountable or expecting anything of them. Bye. Tom Ostrom? Your mentors before Archie were Billy Donovan, Clem Haskins and John Pelphrey? Seems you should have learned something. Maybe? Bye. Indiana is not cursed. Indiana has made a series of incredibly dumb decisions from which it is becoming harder and harder to recover.

I guess I look at it this way. We can lose with Green. We've proven it. Over the course of 3 seasons, he's made a whole lot of bad plays. Costly bad plays. He's a selfish player and plays dumb on a consistent basis. I've seen what I need to see. Like every player, not all of his plays are bad. But....what he does frequently plays against the team concept, which is a pretty damaging thing long term. He's almost never the worst player. That goes to Fitzner, Moore, Forrester, McBob, and sometimes even Smith. But he makes more mistakes than they do. Costs more possessions. And it's consistent. To me...it's terrible. I've coached for a long time with the belief that turnovers are very costly and bad shots are turnovers. Even when bad shots go in, it's not a net positive. Green costs Indiana 4-8 points every game with mistakes and bad decisions...many of them selfish. My issue with Ramsey is limited to his inability to throw the ball downfield consistently and his sometimes poor reads on the RPO. I have a much larger problem with Green, and I don't think either of those two players help Indiana win.