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I apologize if you were offended but at the same time that you complain that Im criticizing your comments when you were the first one to throw my comment about their wing depth under the bus. Don't complain that Im being unfair if you are doing the same thing there partner. I was just trying to have a conversation about the Pacers. I did say why I thought they'd go after somewhere else. They need a better backup big and a better point. Mahimi is a good defensive backup but is a black hole on offense. West is gone is a year or so and Lavoy Allen isn't an NBA starter. They need a playmaker on offense. Someone to set people up and not think shot first. George Hill is more of an undersized 2 guard.  I know you already have your mind made up with Levert. I wouldn't mind if he fell to the Pacers but it just doesn't seem like a smart move when they have other needs. Just my opinion. No big deal 

The Pacers have bigger needs at other positions. Simple as that.  Im not going to argue basketball logic with someone who analyzes players as "uhhh they suck" haha conversation over

Yeah LeVert has played so far against a bunch of cupcakes. I agree LeVert has a better overall game then Rudez and Copeland (both of whom can easily outshoot LeVert). But there is no way the Pacers take him

Quality observation…. Copeland and Rudez fit they role they brought in to play. I guess I shouldn't go into specific for someone who stoops to only saying "they suck" when analyzing a player's game….

They were all dealt with. All players had a run in with the law did their community service, etc. In the eyes of the justice system, they served their time and did everything to  correct their mistake. Just because people don't agree with how suspensions were handed out doesn't mean things were dealt with "properly".

Its called sarcasm my friend ;)

PG, Solo,Copeland, and Rudez are all wings. Cope probably only has a year left, but Rudez's contract is for a few more years. I'd rather see them get a real point guard or a good backup big, but I've already hijacked the thread with too much Pacer's talk as it is haha

He is a great player but that wouldn't make sense. They have too many wings as it is

Too bad we couldnt get him to transfer here. Kid can straight ball

What?! You mean other schools have off the court issues as well?! Shocking!

Then again Kansas has been pretty bad this year and Texas also probably didn't yet deserve to be in the top ten as they haven't yet played anyone this year

By the way Kentucky looks terrible against Texas. Texas doesn't look very good either but Kentucky has no offensive strategy at all. They rely solely on their athleticism

I made same correlation, Kyle being from Louisiana. It looks like Keith may be from Williamsburg, VA. He played for UNC-Asheville for two seasons before transferring to LSU. His Dad's name is Bruce. Might just have the same last name.

Yeah I was obviously joking about those coaches but besides Devin Robinson the rest of the guys I've named are playing a good amount of minutes. Every one of them is averaging close to 20 min a game, which is a pretty big role. Plus Goodluck is starting for UNLV and playing more minutes than Hanner. Hanner has a better scoring average by 5 points and Goodluck has a better rebound average by 1 rebound. So a few of those guys that I named are probably playing around the same minutes that they would've here. Sorry to hijack the thread again, just had to get my two cents in. Appreciate the banter MikeRoberts

So from your summary we can say that Izzo, Roy Williams, Dave Rice and Billy Donavan don't evaluate players well enough since those are the guys who signed those players that Crean didn't' "evaluate well enough".

 Who did we "miss on" that is actually having success?  We "missed on" Devin Robinson, Goodluck, Theo Pinson,and Lourawls Nairn  and none of them are doing very well where they are at now. We did land JBJ and Rob Johnson, who are starters and are providing a lot more than any of those previously mentioned..  Marvin Clark is doing decently for MSU as far as scoring, but he is not rebounding very well for a big man (averaging 3 rebounds a game).

You don't know that, and none of us do. But even after his de commitment he kept listing us as his favorite for a few months. Then when the staff stopped showing up to everything, of course he didn't want to come here. The stuff with his dad has been overhyped by Jockich too much. I definitely agree that his dad is a colossal idiot though.

I honestly wish Crean would've stuck it out with Lyles. That would've solved all of our problems this year. Funny how as soon as Lyles de-committed no one from IU had anything to do with him so he went another way. Fast forward to when Blackmon de-committed  and we stuck around and kept recruiting him till the end. Around the time that Blackmon JR committed Crean said that if he could do things over again he would've kept recruiting Lyles, but instead he got butt hurt about the de-committment and never talked to Lyles again. Things could've been very different

He's probably not

Even though I don't like Lyles, he has been pretty darn efficient in the minutes he's gotten. Ive seen two games in which he only had 13 minutes, but he scored 13 points in 13 min one game and 8 pts in 13 minutes in another

Most likely Crean knows we don't stand a chance

Like you said, players decisions don't fall on the coach. We have been there recruiting Bryant and Zimmerman and lots of big men, just don't seem to be deciding to come here

You make it sound like its Crean's choice whether a player chooses to play here or not.

I'll have to go back and find it, but it was mentioned by Inside the Hall during the summer. IU couldnt agree to participate because of the Crossroads Classic. I don't know all the details but IU was definitely invited to participate

IU was invited to participate, but turned it down