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Cable is out where I'm at so I couldn't watch but sounds like Holt knocked dead! Anyone tell me whether Holt and Perea played at the same time much? Against bigger teams I think that's an option they'll need.

Maybe THAT'S the reason the beam fell...don't mess with the holy program! Hehe

I'm not patient enough to read all those chapters before posting but in large part I agree with your last paragraph! Lol I think he's earned this year but he must produce. I'm not a big fan of his coaching but I don't think he's done a lot of good things for the program. When it all boils down you gotta win and I hope for his and the tasks sale they get it figured out. I'll root for them one way or another but if they're losing I'll be doing a lot of b=+ching. Lol won't do any good but...

It seems you get what you'll accept. Don't know whether it's a good thing or not but ya gotta give fans of programs like UNC and UK. they don't accept sucking for very long.

My sentiments exactly. If I wanted to root for a mediocre team is have been a Purdue fan! Lol

What I fear most of all is that we will win 17/18 games and the powers that be will call that progress. I fear we will settle for mediocre or slightly better. The thought of that makes me queasy...win or bust!

[quote name="sddowning" post="110962" timestamp="1417440250"]When you say "6'4" and athletic" are you talking about Oladipo? No one else come to mind. The offense ran pretty well with Zeller Cwat and Hulls. No of which meet you criteria of Creans typical player. Now I will say at times last year the offense became let Yogi and all Yogi. He was very ball dominate. Don't get me wrong I love Yogi and that wasn't his fault but Crean should have figured out ways to get Vonleh the ball more often. Find shots for other plays instead of Yogi trying to break someone down. On a side note if Hollowell was recruited and ranked off of potential he showed in AAU then how come Crean couldn't help develop him. He had no problem bringing Vic along. Can't imagine Hollowell was as driven as Victor but he showed no improvement from year 1 to 2. Only difference was minutes played[/quote I tend to believe Victor's improvement was more a result of his work ethic than Creans coaching.

When you look at their roster/personnel do you realistically think they can/will turn it around?Not sure I see that possibility. Sad thing is that I'm not so sure I see a possibility of it happening next year. Hope I'm wrong.

I think the problem with that illustration is Crean isn't Knight. By a long shot! I think Knight had his flaws but as a coach he and Crean aren't in the same league! That's nothing to be too ashamed of. When it comes strictly to coaching not to many were/are in Knights league.

I can't afford to take off work and walk to Boston with you but...I'd be willing to pay for a nice pair of walking shoes and give you a per diem for your trip! Lol TBH, I'd really like to see Crean and this team get it together and turn this season around but more than anything I don't want mediocrity! I fear we will win 17-18 games and the powers that be will call that progress. I just think that if Crean was capable of being a big time winner he'd already be one and we wouldn't be having these discussions.

well stated. I believe he deserves this year also but with all the offcourt happenings he's lost his right for any slack into next year. I don't feel he can be held responsible for all the offcourt behavior but I do believe he is responsible for the punishment meted out for that behavior and the Perea suspension was laughable...and I do believe the subsequent misbehavior of other players was due in part to the lack consequences that Hanner had to endure.

I'd take Donovan first of those two because of his proven track record but I must say that with all the mentions that Stevens has gotten its cause me to kinda research him a little and I like what I read. I know that he went to the final game twice but to me even more impressive was that even after those players moved on he was able to regroup and reach the sweet sixteen a couple years later. I like the fact his team's repetitively over achieved. They won some big games when missing key players. He's from Indiana which would help recruit the state which I think is crucial. I like the fact that he and Butler were in on recruiting right up to the end. Even though Cody went to IU that is a family that had been through that recruiting process before and knew how to weed out the slackers...and he didn't get weeded out! There is definitely a lot to be impressed with in his resume.

playing defense in large part is about wanting to get to the end of forty minutes and know in your heart that you played like a tough mofo! You may not always win but by god I played tough!I did what my coach told me to,I had my teammates back and I didn't back down from nobody or nothing! You may beat me but you aren't going to intimidate me!

lol, I'm not that fair weather! TBH, when I hear Donovans name mentioned my first thought is that there is no way in hell he'd leave Florida to come to IU. My second thought is...would he? If he would if dump Crean in a heartbeat! Two NC, multiple final fours, proven recruiter, seems to run a clean program, long track record of success...get him to Bloomington if he'll come! Stevens?I'm not quite as sold on but I think he'd be an improvement over Crean. His coaching acumen seems pretty good but he has never proven that he can recruit at the level needed to compete at a top level program. Not saying he can't but he hasn't "been there, done that"yet. He did seem to run a clean program. I'd love to see Crean succeed but...in your seventh year and this is all you got? I'm a supporter but I'm not a blind supporter. Seven years is a pretty long time to prove something! Even if you give him a pass on the first three years I don't feel he's been an overwhelming success the past three plus years. Zellers freshman year is the only year I feel his team's have over achieved!

I agree with you in regards to the Pitt game. Everyone seems to be pointing to that game as a barometer of success...hell, they're not even that good and we get them at home! If we're an elite program we SHOULD win that, and easily!

I'd take either one of those coaches. And feel so good.

I'm not sure who/where to make the donation but if they keep playing the way they did the other night...I'll be the big secret donor! Not sure what the Hairy Bear cost but sign me up for buying all three of the damn things!

usually about the age where you get a wife? Lol

who do you foresee being the inside presence next year? I don't see either of the incoming freshman being the answer. Perea? He's not the answer in his third year and so I see no reason to believe he will be in his fourth season. Holt? April? Neither one of them can seem to even touch the floor to TRY and develop into an inside presence. Crean seems to be a good person and in a lot of ways he has done some great things with the program but I'm not sure he has a definite plan to get to the top. I find our recruiting strategy baffling. Why take recruits at the last minute, who play a position where we definitely have a need, tie up a scholarship...then not play them? Very few teams play 11-13 guys...just leave the scholarship open and use it on a player next year that you have confidence can play! We can have all the outside shooters in the world but if we aren't competitive on the inside we'll get killed next year as well! I personally think he should commit to playing Holt this year. Sink or swim. Perea and Holt with TW at the three. Hartman has been surprising in a good way and I think he could give them solid minutes backing up Troy.

I hear ya!I live in the Cincy area and I'm sick-n-tired of hearing the Kat-s#=t talk! The sad thing is that ya really haven't had anything to come back with to them in a long time! Just listen to the crap and walk away muttering!

how many seasons has he over achieved since he's been at IU? The only season I believe he has even remotely over achieved is Zellers freshman season. I would love to see him and this team succeed but what I truly dread is that he and this team will win just enough games to keep his job. I don't want mediocrity! Go big or go home!

if you see him...check if he's wearing slip-ons! Lol

almost every big time program has these types of losses. While I'm willing to support Crean I'm not willing to blindly support him. A person develops a track record. There are several things about his track record that I think a lot of folks are having a hard time supporting.

I think one of the most important things on a basketball team is balance. Offense/defense, inside/outside. That team, and usually the best teams, have balance. They don't have great deficiencies where they can be exploited. This team(and last year's) have great imbalances. We can and will be exploited and the most unsettling thing seems to be that when I look long term at next year's incoming recruits I don't see anyone there that will go very far towards correcting that imbalance! As a side note I find it interesting that the three seasons before Crean had Zeller his team's struggled, the two years since Zeller has been gone his team's have/are/will struggle...I think Cody brought a lot more to the table than some people realized...and Crean better find another Zeller!

could Hanner make a layup?