Banksyrules

I never said give up. I just think our resources are better spent in different areas.  I personally don't see us getting one of the top centers in the top twenty in the class.  You can't be everywhere at once.  I just think if we gave the top 25-100 centers in each class the proper attention a five star athlete would we would be raking them in and creating a great TEAM. Just my opinion.  

Fair enough Hwy 1.  I'm not opposed of getting the five star centers, but as of right now I think it might be a little more difficult then before.  

That's true, but at least it opens the door for more debate without an absolute statement.  

I guess the base of the argument is to ask how much focus we should put towards the five star centers as opposed to getting those five star guards which we all know could thrive under Coach Crean.     I'm all for looking at interest of an elite big man but not to point were resources could be better used to secure a five star guard.  I guess it's a balance.

To you it's flawed and I respect that.  But it's not definitively flawed when others (from posts above) don't think so.  Granted every idea needs a few tweeks but to just claim something is definitively flawed, closes the door to find new avenues for success. Just my opinion.   

But how much better have they become? One could easily argue that Zeller and Vonleh already inherited their basketball skills that propelled them to the draft.     Calipari has a bunch of one and done's but I don't think he developed them at all. However, he uses the power of money to get them.    Still they did well in the lottery.  Cousins is my example, great talent but if developed correctly he could have been a lot better in the pros.     I personally think Zeller and Vonleh improved a little but if I was being honest with myself I could see how they might develop better under different circumstances.  Plus until the last six months of High School, Zeller wasn't ranked in the top twenty if memory serves me right.  Plus it kind of hurts us that Vonleh gave us some verbal jabs before he left.  Other teams will use those quotes directly to downplay us. 

I just think with Crean's system I think a lot of other teams are going to attack us by mentioning to elite big men that under our Coach's system they will not thrive and become better.   If you honestly think we are going to get Stephen Zimmerman or a Diamond Stone then yes ignore what I just said ( and I hope we do get them), but if we can get those kids (top26-100 in each class) centers who help contribute and actually help our guards and small forwards thrive, I wouldn't be opposed to it.  

Are you telling me the state of Indiana can't produce big men who are fundamentally sound?  I just gave you one example of many.  Coach Crean just got one Luke, but there is no reason he can't get 2 or 3 big men who have great rebounding skills who provide great defense.  There are plenty of them out there.  I'm talking about kids who have more of a skill set then Hanner or Peter.  Hargondy was never a project, he just had great fundamentals.     It would probably not be advantageous of you to always bring up the worst case example when presenting your argument each time.  There are kids who have better skill sets then Peter and Hanner but who are not elite.  

 I never said anything about projects.   I just said five star centers.  I'm talking about the centers who are part of the top 25 recruits for each class.  There are plenty of guys (like Luke before he transferred ) who are fundamentally  sound who can contribute.     Plus if a five star big wants to play for us, of course you don't turn it down.     For the sake of time management and resource allocation I think Coach Crean would be best served to focus on getting the best players in the 1- 3 slots, while getting good rebounders or shot blockers  who can help maximize the strengths of our guards and small forwards. Example. Remember Luke Hargondy (Spelling) from Notre Dame, he was not well known but played great minutes for the Irish.  With our guards we have coming in now, he would thrived in our system.  

hmmm that's a great point.   

Well this is rude, without any substance.  I'm just trying to offer one perspective on how I think Coach Crean can help his future teams get better.  That's why I'm asking for opinions.  I'm not saying it's definitive just throwing out an idea and asking what my fellow Hoosiers think.      There are plenty of teams who have done well in the tournament without an elite center to carry the load.  I just think if we focus our resources on getting the one or two guys who think will provide stability then flash we can create great teams.   If we keep waiting for all those five stars to make their decisions, I would hate to lose out on good big men who accepted other offers.   I think Coach Crean can easily recruit elite men for 1-3 spots to create formidable teams.  Not everybody in the starting five has to be elite, just fundamentally sound.  

For the record I don't believe it myself, but I feel this is the argument other teams will use against us.   

How many open spots does michigan state have.  Sheesh.  

From what I've heard from my friends in Virginia is that he also has that clutch gene.  He's not afraid to make the game winning shot.  

Can never tell with videos but as long as he he's fundamentally sound, I'll take him.  

You might be right on that.  Still, I don't think you can blame it on Coach Johnson.  

He's a very good assistant.  Good coaches have great assistants and are very hard to come by.  Everyone saw what happened when Crean got that assistant from Duke (I forget the name)and messed us up with certain recruits (Irving, though now I'm getting the vibe that he's a big cry baby).   The high school Coaches and players love Coach Johnson and he cuts through a lot of bull so we can have access to talk to theses kids.  Very hard to find people like that.   

Kenny is a great assistant.  The kids love that guy.  If he leaves,  to me that marks the beginning of the end of the Coach Crean era. I don't think Coach Crean will be able recruit another assistant to Johnson's level because many will view him as a sitting duck. Just MHO. 

Hmmm they got ticked for the whooping we gave them the past two days. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

Yeah respect the streak.  Have been wearing the same underwear since and hope to never change until we dominate Omaha.  

Nice.  Looks like our bats are coming alive.   

Man I hope we get them back. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

Back then yeah, but I will disagree now.  You can still run a program but elite level players don't want to play for someone like that.  The closest one resembling Knight now would be Martin from South Carolina and well it's South Carolina.   

But for obvious reasons not well liked.  

We just haven't found a Coach ( Coach Crean hopefully will adapt), who has all the skills that's needed to be a great Coach.  With Coach Sampscum, Davis, and in my opinion of as right now Coach Crean, I would have to say a lot fault lies with IU's trustees and administration for not being able to find someone who is great or just above average in recruiting balanced classes, development,being well liked and who can carry himself in the X's and O's department.    The state of Indiana has great players to the point if recruited effectively can at least provide us with a fundamentally sound bench.  We just need the right guy to put it all together.