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Are you speaking in generalities about the fan base right now or this specific thread? If you are embarrassed by incessant piling on, a thread titled “Fire Mike Woodson” might not be the one to hang out in.

Maybe the fan just thought if he wanted Mike Woodson to retire he had to go tell Mike Woodson in person? Lol I’m kidding of course, but at least this gave us something to talk about today. My coffee this morning has been entertaining catching up on the thread.

I don’t think anyone was saying him being paid a ton excuses the behavior. I, for one, was merely pointing out that the compensation is super high because dealing with idiots and being a public figure is part of the job. Wanna make 75,000 dollars per win to date? Okay great, unfortunately you will have to deal with the occasional jerk and thousands of people booing you at home on national TV.

I will preface this by saying that yes it’s classless and boorish behavior. But this doesn’t really move the needle for me at all. CMW is the public face of a large state school getting paid literal millions to coach basketball. This is part of the gig. Like it or not. I deal with angry travelers daily and hear a lot worse than “you need to retire”. This entire comment thread allows us to anonymously discuss and say the exact things this idiot said in person. It’s not that far off for all the handwringing I’ve read about this. Kentucky literally kicked people out of the stadium last year for having FIRE COACH CAL signs. Is it stupid? Yes. Does it happen everywhere? Yes. Sympathy from me? No. Personally, I’ll stick to anonymously calling for his job online. However, the irony of that is not lost on me.

Our best win is Wisconsin at home who have completely fallen apart and lost 6 of their last 8 with a likely L coming in Illinois. The thought that finishing 9-11 or 10-10 in a very weak B1G could save his job is horrifying. An argument could be made that our best game from a statistical standpoint was the loss to Kansas at home.

https://www.on3.com/college/ohio-state-buckeyes/news/college-coaches-weigh-in-on-the-ohio-state-job/ Really interesting article on the OSU job, hard not to draw some parallels from what coaches said about their opening and a potential opening at IU.

The not recruiting thing last night was really bothering me, so I went ahead and spent way too long at work reading through NCAA by-laws out of curiosity--it was terrible and you guys are welcome lol. If this has already been stated by someone smarter than me, apologies in advance...that said... If I am understanding it correctly, each student can be "evaluated/recruited" 7 times during the recruiting period (1 September-30 April and limited to the recruit's high school campus or regularly scheduled competition). During that period, the staff has 100 such evaluations they can conduct which equals roughly 14 recruits visited at their school or observed playing during the season if the full 7 are burned. So, that said, we are to believe that Woody and Co. either have burned through all 7 evaluations/in-person recruitments for say Sisley or Mullins, or, that they have used so close to 100 that they want to save some before 30 April for transfers instead of 25s in Indiana. The excuse from Rabby is pure BS. Now I am more mad

If they don’t make a move and allow CMW to hire Kenny Payne that will be the straw for me. I won’t watch, I’ll stop my annual donation, and my wife can wake me up when we have a different coach. I love my alma mater, I always will, but the idea of not replacing him and he having the hubris to hire a coach as bad as KP is just laughable.

I live in ACC country and am surrounded by UNC, Duke, Clemson folks etc. I watch a ton of UVA basketball with friends and coworkers. One thing we all agree on is UVA is atrocious to watch. Winning cures all I suppose, but personally I want nothing to do with slow, plodding offense. Bennet would have to have a plan to change his offense. After the seven years we’ve had I really don’t think fans want to see a team dribbling the air out of the basketball for 25 seconds every possession. Just my thoughts. I just don’t think it’s a good fit.

I, for one, am taking reports Woody isn't out recruiting 25s as a positive. Why would he bother if things were moving towards him being replaced. That is my positive affirmation in the face of what looks like an indefensible lack of recruiting tonight during sectionals.

I mean this is a little disingenuous no? What is a recruit going to say with a microphone in their face? "Mike Woodson runs an archaic offense that values 2pt baskets and all his shooters are clearly hesitant." Of course you could pull "positive" quotes. All the positive quotes in the world do not mean anything compared to reality. We offered 31 high school players and 1 committed. Or if you are scoring at home, a .03% success rate.

I think what would be most exciting about a pearl hire is that is a serious name with serious cache. Pulling someone like Pearl from Auburn would show the kind of program power we all believe is lurking beneath the surface in spite of what our rivals say about dusty banners. I’d be excited with May, really anyone other than Woody, but poaching a coach like Pearl would instantly make IU front page news nationally.

In the words of our coach, we are not the ones missing shots. It’s not our job to get them open looks. Lol

I read their articles but got immediately turned off by the moderation. BTB is so much better. If it weren’t for advertising and website marketing I’m convinced they would have turned commenting off years ago lol

And what would the agenda be? Not have to watch terrible basketball? Pretty much every B1G school has multiple opinion and analysis sites for basketball, football or both. Dealing with the media is part of the gig here, and a smart coach uses that. No one in Ohio State media had a bad thing to say about Holtman, other than the basketball was bad. Woody on the other hand is giving them bad basketball and being dismissive. The reactions or “agenda” are completely warranted IMO.

At this point our cause is furthered by more Woody media appearances. It has sounded like he’s been coached for a couple weeks now to stem the bleeding and he still can’t help himself but say things that must make Dolson and Buckner cringe. What college coach says “I’m not missing the shots”

In addition, our administration sanctioned a 1 million dollar raise and insane buyout for a coach no one was trying to buyout or pay more to coach their team. It is unconscionable.

There was a play in the first half that just had me shaking my head. We moved the ball fairly crisply around the perimeter only for Cupps to feed Walker for a missed elbow jumper. It was just a microcosm of this system.

We are now dead last on Torvik looking up at 3-13 Michigan. One guy in the recruiting class. Team generally looked like it wanted to be anywhere but on the court. Body language was just sad while sub .500 PSU looked to be having fun even with nothing to play for. I really dont see any logical argument to keeping Woody unless we really cant afford it which I do not believe.

Fire coach Woodson. You’re welcome.

Sorta surprised at some of the we wouldn’t be considering Dusty without the IU connections. He could have had a P5 job last year. There’s already reports of talks with OSU. If he doesn’t take one this offseason, it’s not going to be due to lack of suitors other than IU. I get the mid-major apprehension but FAU isn’t even mid major. That was a low major moribund program that’s not even existed that long. Fear of Archie 2.0 is crippling people for Dusty. Fear of Kelvin 2.0 is crippling people for Pearl. The reality is perfect isn’t walking through the door. Stevens came and went. Donovan was always a pipe dream. But I think most can agree Woody is not the future. Either would be a massive step in the right direction in the near term. Because the alternative and keeping Woody is far more detrimental.

Someone with Pearls coaching record 15 or even 10 years younger would be considered an absolute grand slam hire by pretty much everyone. Even at 64, another 6 or 8 could be special. Heck Laranaga went to an EE and FF in back to back years in 22 and 23 and he’s 74. I’d prefer Dusty I think, but by basically any metric if we could get Pearl it would be a grand slam. I wanted him when Archie was hired, and would venture a bet had we done it then we’d have already seen a FF and probably another banner.

Not sure it taking a video surfacing three years later and nearly 30 years into his coaching career for “zero tolerance” to be enacted a high level of oversight either. Choking a kid in practice doesn’t happen in a vacuum. That’s a pattern of acceptable behavior culminating in a videoed outburst of physical violence. It is safe to say that pattern was overlooked due to wins.

I don’t disagree it can be used effectively. However, RMK also wouldn’t shy away from criticism and make excuse after excuse with the press. When all he does is blame players and injuries and make any excuse for not getting over the hump— you lose all credibility ripping a guy who clearly is one of the few really trying to win. That was more the reason I think it’s a terrible look. Ware was 5-13 from the line. Cupps couldn’t guard Tominanga to save his life. MR couldn’t stop fouling— again. There were plenty of options for benching or getting in someone’s butt. Trey wasn’t it and it was obvious to someone who tends to not notice things like that— that was the main point.

Here’s a fun anecdote. My wife, who is a die hard fan, but doesn’t really watch that closely or understand all the nuance in a basketball game said: “Why is Woody yelling at Trey? He’s the only person who even tries.” Aside from realizing a clearly married the right person once again, all I could do was agree. That was a terrible look.