Dave from Dayton

Noles (FSU) score with 28 minutes in 2nd half left. Not likely to go late, now.

I signed up for Sling before the last game...and have already cancelled because of the 3-day trial. Even though ESPNU was not on their 'basic' 3 options, it was an add. But, no charge for 3 day trial. Sling does not readily advertise or push the trial period. Once you get into the site and start the process, then the button for the trial appears. So watch for it. Sling was definitely laggy. Started a new drinking game. When I couldn't tell what was going on because of the lag...another drink. Nyuck! Nyuck!! Nyuck!! (And a tip of the hat to Jack Nicholson in Easy Rider.)

Well, I am going to be watching and cheering every second of the contest. Go IU!

Game Day! Getting with a friend to watch the game at my place. Got some decent bourbon, beer, brats and sunshine here. Just win, baby!

This is such a subjective matter. There are all sorts of things that may swing the "worth" or value of a dunk over 2 free throws. Such as situational issues. A dunk may be better during for momentum or to get the crowd pumped. Free throws may be better because a defender stopped a play as time is winding down and cool -rational play is appropriate. One also may have been looking at just the score and not the momentum issues. Maybe the dunk was more risky than the two free throws. The situation may dictate which would have had more of the ancillary 'benefit'. Personally, being 5' 8" tall and unlikely to dunk...definitely MY dunk would be more spectacular! (and risky?)

Watched it. Very clear and helpful. Love the concept of keeping the defense occupied with the exchanges. Versus that stagnant offense of CAM. Thanks.

I reluctantly agree with btownqb that Lander is a focus in the hypothetical. Even if Lander could live up to his 5* billing doesn't necessarily mean that he would be an excellent B1G point guard this season. Plus, IU doesn't play against hypothetically very good B1G opponents. The other teams are reloading etc. And, the bench comes in to play. Are they going to step up when the starters need a breather? What is CMW's offense and defense going to look like in the first year? Can IU defend the really big center in the B1G? Can IU take advantage of the matchups that go small or throw a zone at IU or get really physical or own their courts? Will this team come together and mesh? I'd say with the original poster's hypothetical this team could make it into the top 3 in the conference and competing for the championship of the B1G and the downside would be in the top 7. The NCAAT would depend on seeding, matchups and whether IU executes or the other team does. They would do well, I guess. And no, they would not run the table.

It seems that Mike Roberts had moved from the coaching staff to an administrative job working for Dolson not Woodson. So as far as the coaching staff, it is already set. Roberts leaving may have been anticipated by Indiana.

I have been hoping that Rob Phinesee will break out and become a great offensive asset for Indiana. I still hope that. But I don't see it happening. Because he has had that opportunity and it hasn't happened. Indiana basketball really needs a great point guard. Lander might just do it. His freshman year is behind him. Is he gaining strength? Will he have less turnovers? Will his shooting improve? Well, yeah! How about TJD? Will his inside game improve now that Indiana is spacing better and hitting 3's? Will he use his right hand? Will he have a decent jump shot? Will he gain some muscle and be able to push others around? Will he stop with the soft roll off of the fingers about 3' from the rim? Well, yeah! Will those players on the perimeter not let the other team get that quick step around them towards the basket? Will they start hitting 3's at a much better clip? Will everyone improve their free throws? And improve overall defense? I think that they all will improve... Spoiler Alert: The person who will make the most improvements this year is... Coach Woodson! (And the whole team as a team will be improved!) Clearly! He was a great player way back when. He is going to make a bigger impact on Indiana now.

Sure, Brunk was older...a leader we think...and he was big. But he wasn't super mobile. Did the metrics show that the team was better with him when TJD or Race were out? What was all the hedging about out near the free throw line? Free throws were not good. Scoring wasn't great. Coach MW may have said that IU was looking to have just one inside. Between TJD, Race and big newcomer D who needs the game minutes...Brunk wouldn't get much in the uptempo game. Sad but true. Brunk and tOSU coach go way back. Better for him to be there. Hope that he gets lots of PT at tOSU and IU beats the heck out of them. They will be slower with him. Thanks for being here. Hope your health is better. Next man up.

Sorry. I have no idea. I almost never go near anything UK. I won't even go on a bourbon tour that goes anywhere near that place. (Although I have been to Rupp to cheer on IU in the NCAAT.) And I have to admit, the Kentucky fans were very gracious and actually cheered IU when Duke lost. This just was listed when i Googled Brooks. Didn't vet the site. No dog in this hunt either. Have mixed feelings about all of this. Coaches have tough jobs but they are paid way too much for the grief. And it has to be gut-wrenching for the student/athletes, their families and friends. I don't blame anyone for going to a program away from the home state. Lots of reasons might justify those decisions. Didn't say I liked the idea though. Except in this case, it is UK. Ugh. That's almost as bad as going to W. Laffy.

Brooks rumor link: https://www.aseaofblue.com/2021/4/22/22397820/uk-basketball-rumors-davion-mintz-keion-brooks-transfer-indiana-hoosiers

Keeping recruits because of APR doesn't seem to make sense. But, today on this thread, I have not seen anyone say that. I know that I said he had to keep the recruits. And, I said that APR may have been a contributing factor about keeping players. Not the same issue. I know that I didn't say that APR was the reason for keeping recruits.

No. Once again you cherry pick and ignore the whole discussion. The above was a response to you saying that you did not believe that the APR was an issue. I did not say that APR was why Archie failed. I said there were many factors that contributed to it. But, it was still his responsibility to win. Your agenda is showing again. I do agree that Archie had to go. But he didn't fail relative to the APR like Crean was. He didn't leave the cupboard bare like others have. He just didn't win enough and had lost the team. Very significant those are definitely.

Since you do not believe it to be true....here is an article that discusses the APR deterioration under Crean. The 4 year average required by the NCAA is 930. IU's was going down in Crean's last 4 years. It was the 2nd lowest in the B1G at 938. Crean's last year was 920. https://www.insidethehall.com/2018/05/23/iu-basketball-sees-multi-year-apr-score-fall-for-third-straight-year/

The APR is just one of the issues that was there. It seemed to exist. I also do not know beyond a shadow of a doubt. It is not refutable by facts that you present. Those are somewhat circumstantial. Plus, the released recruits do not hit the APR. And you ignore the fact that if he had done that, late in the recruiting period, then the cupboard would have been even more depleted. You ignore the injuries, you ignore the recruiting inside of the state issue. You ignore the support to the staff that Dolson obviously is doing to supplement CMW. That did not happen for Archie Miller's staff. Not so much excuses as everything is not dependent solely on the coach. The coach has to be put in the position to take advantage of the situations. Glass didn't give Archie Miller a boost like Dolson is giving CMW. But, clearly, Archie Miller didn't perform up to IU's standards. But IU is not on probation. IU is in good shape APR wise. IU's cupboard was not bare. And the in-state recruiting is not broken like Crean left it.

I did not have Archie Miller in my top 4 prospective coach hires. But, I did think that he would get a look. And I was pleasantly surprised that he was hired. Thought he was a better fit for IU than any of the previous coaches since RMK. Heck, his teams beat Syracuse and OSU etc in the NCAAT. His teams played like teams. Improved throughout the year. Sure, it was Dayton. But, he turned Dayton into a winner after Brian Gregory. The cupboard was left bare. He left Dayton in a very good position. Defense worked at Dayton. He had very good ballers. They dove for the loose balls. But, that didn't work at IU. Was it Archie Miller's coaching? Well, he is responsible, right? It couldn't be that he couldn't turn IU around because of the crap handed to him by Crean and Glass. Miller never did get a good PG to initiate his offense. That is on Miller. Miller never got the team to play like a team...integrating Romeo into the idea of sharing the ball and playing as a team did not happen. That lack of getting IU a new culture did not work. That is on Miller, too. The injury card could be played. Rob P getting his head banged...never really came back to what was envisioned when he was a freshman. Romeo's hand, Brunk's back, Al's ankle, Armaan's ankle...just to mention a few. But injuries hit all teams, right? But, isn't some of the problem on Glass and the inability to get rid of players because of the grades issues? So, the players kept good grades, and there was a reloading going on. The latter was way too slow. Especially after the extension that Glass gave Crean. Miller had to go. He had lost the team and the momentum in recruiting. I wouldn't give his hire and his performance F's. The hire, maybe a C. His performance maybe a C- or a D+. IU settled on Archie Miller...seems IU could not attract the best coaches. Things have changed with Dolson at the top. IU seems to have a vision...for the future...and keeping IU's basketball history, now with CMW. NBA-style is being implemented...with IU's banners held up for all to see. But, the push on expanding recruiting beyond the boarders of the state is different. It wasn't all Archie's fault. But he did have to go. It was past time.

Very good discussion lately in this thread about the abilities of the point guard for IU. To me, it is the biggest question. Rob P is the experienced PG for IU. But the fact is that it hasn't really been ideal. The questions surrounding Rob P are pertinent. Is he really a combo guard? Will Lander, thank goodness he is here, step into the PG position and begin to hit, and not turn over the ball? Will Xavier J, as a combo guard, be capable and not turn over the ball like he has when he has been asked to be the ball handler for the team? Will Phin begin to recover his oomph and quickness and shot and etc.? Well, the very exciting thing is that there are many options there. All of them need some development, repetition, and prime time on court action with this team. One of them will excel. Others will complement and/or compete. That is exciting. Interested in following this group of IU players. 4 new significant players: XJ, PS, TB, and MK. Competition for the starting 5 just got serious.

My antenna was letting me know something might have been happening. Really thought that I had read something within the last couple days that he had gotten an offer. But was searching for it and this news hit. Really liked his stats. Really liked what Jerry Meyer wrote about him recently. Seems to be just what IU needed. A shooter that really is talented and quick and long. He also referred to IU's Bobby Knight. I'm excited for the future.

https://www.thedailyhoosier.com/class-of-2021-guard-tamar-bates-commits-to-indiana/

Do colleges generally list offers that have been extended. I could see why they would not put that list out in public. I typically see when a recruit releases that information. But, sometimes an offer becomes known. Seems to be through some media or posting. Thought there might be a list on the IU AD website.

Read one article dated about 2 days ago that said Woodson and Rosemond were keeping tabs on him. Saw another statement elsewhere that indicated he was seeking a black coach. Decommited Texas when Shaka Smart accepted the Marquette job. No scholarships were available up there. Lots of previous Texas players are entering the portal. Recruits are requesting to get out of LOIs. That is my understanding. Lots unattributed here. Stuff happening though...seems. At IMG in Bradenton last season he hit 44% of his 3's. I'd buy that for a dollar.

I understand that he has been discussed. But still wondering why he doesn't have his own thread in the recruiting section of this site. I am relatively new to this site. So, it may be that I don't know when or why a name goes into the recruiting section. But since he has been offered and discussed, well...

Not really a transfer...but Tamar Bates asked for and apparently got out of his LOI with Texas. Very recently was offered by Indiana. Shooting guard, 6'4", Top 60. Was wondering, shouldn't he be listed on recruiting threads? How involved are Woodson and Rosemond? Really a talent. Originally from Kansas, I believe. If I remember correctly played in FL IMG. May not be remembering that correctly.

What I see is that Brunk was likely informed that his time on court would be extremely limited. Indiana has a 4* freshman coming in. Woodson has stated that he is seeking a tall 4 from the portal that can play multiple positions. With Race and TJD, IU has decent bigs. And Brunk is not an offensive threat. And IU is likely implementing the 4 - 1 offense. Brunk and OSU's coach Holtmann go way back. Holtmann may be throwing in the towel trying to recruit a 5* center from the south...requirements allegedly include a house for Mom. So Holtmann may see the writing on the wall. Brunk is mature. Is a team-oriented big. Would likely have been an asset in practice. But the wave of the future for IU is not a slow big that cannot hit frees or score points. Good luck to Brunk. May he not take the court against IU. May he slow OSU's offense.