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Everything posted by mdn82
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I for one would become violently ill.
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Every IU coaching search since 2000.
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I completely get the skepticism and why. His style isn’t like that in a situation like that if he didn’t hear first hand or from the agent. So I choose to believe that tidbit unfortunately.
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I appreciate the advice. I will take it under consideration.
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Guys, I think getting lost in the Beard details is TJO not being a candidate. Beard was always getting vetted. Long shot from the jump, but TJO man. I would be unhappy if it’s a hard no already. That’s who I was realistically hoping for.
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If he was at the game yesterday speaking with donors he knew it was vetted, yesterday. If he came out today with “it is being vetted” he is really out of the loop.
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The only thing I think happened is the list from the search committee got back to the university and the university has started reaching out to people. Not a ton of movement, but it really has just started. More stuff will trickle out over the next week or two. Anyone saying x, y, z was a legit candidate of Dolson’s before the previous couple of weeks was at best having fun. The real leaks are coming.
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Guessing it’s just those assumptions again working overtime and he is ridiculous. I tried correcting what he said 2 hours ago. Lucky guess on my part. And agree with you.
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2 hours ago he said he was being vetted…. What changed?
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Good luck finding that here. In 25 years I have never seen that shot out there on a board.
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Yeah, this will always be the place to come for hard evidence. I agree. Personal bias. Every person has it. It turns into confirmation bias, which it seems you are looking for. That’s what I meant. Nothing too deep. Not trying to offend with it, but you come to a place like this for evidence and get frustrated and shoot others down if they don’t provide evidence? Just doesn’t make a ton of sense.
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You need confirmation bias at this point and are skeptical of anything you don’t want to believe. I get it.
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If it’s not what you believe, why would you ever believe anything? I get it.
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Until they start checking backgrounds and references? No
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More of “Goodman doesn’t know what he is talking about until I think he agrees with my stance”. I legit don’t think he said much. People are just trying to read into every little thing at a pace that would make the right and left in American politics blush.
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He would be really interesting up there. I would love that hire.
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Simple answer, yes. Most any leaked info on any search comes from the firm or agents throughout a search. For various reasons, and most are selfish, yes. Even if they have no ambition to leave it provides an opportunity to get a raise.
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I think 15-25 years ago we definitely hire from the McDermott or TJO level of college basketball. I just don’t think we win enough and coaches see how impatient the fanbase and University will be. Not an easy job when you know a 180 on culture will have to occur without the benefit of patience. Now we are probably at a lower tier of hire with the same requirements. More money for sure. At some point we just have to win. I do like some of the other unnecessary barriers are seemingly not in place this hire. I have hope. No expectations.
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Yep. Anybody making absolute declarations in either direction of it happening or not is personal bias. Nothing has moved forward. It’s not that deep yet. But I think people can see today the level of coach we are probably at. Unless Dolson has a shocker up his sleeve of Donovan, Wright, Few, etc., I think we are working at a level lower than the TJO, Cronin, or McDermott’s of the world. Beard would be in that level. Hopefully money talks after a disappointing exit for the TJO, Cronin, or McDermott level. I have legit no clue which way we go, but I trust Dolson in this process more than previous AD. Even if the name isn’t the sexy name.
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I wouldn’t go that far either. I think it shows they felt that was the best option to win within their current situation. You have 30 years of inconsistency in this fishbowl. Nothing but failures. Many coaches have zero ambition if they are ultra successful to come here. If it was Duke or Kentucky after 10 years down? They could still get someone. 30 years of mediocrity. Someone is going to have to win to make Indiana what you, I, and others here feel Indiana is. Outside perception just is not that.
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I don’t know how long Drew convos were this time or if it was an immediate no, but TJO I don’t think was that. I would be willing to bet the names you are hearing today are the names that came back from the search committee as being interested or not if it’s x coach is in or out. I just heard names for the first time beyond Beard yesterday at the game beyond the “it would be great if”. Beard I heard because of the amount of work supposedly being done. I never took it more than anything beyond they wanted to feel good about their decision if it went that way, and not bow to pressure. New era. Cignetti showed the importance of hope and winning. That’s what will drive this search it sure sounds like. Not key admin or the loudest 5-10%. If football can drive what it did? They know what basketball will do. Winning pays. Losing costs buyouts. Morals are not a currency that has paid the bills. The people they would lose would be minimal compared to the upside of winning.
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I assumed he would end up at NC State. Seemed more their speed.
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2 names talked about by decent sized donors yesterday? McCollum and Beard. McCollum? Can he win here. That was the discussion. No more no less. Beard? Extreme vetting to satisfy or disqualify. They care about the situation, and not the loudest 5% against. No more, no less. Any talk of x candidate being certain or disqualified today I would say is premature in any strong direction. I am not saying others aren’t still involved, but those names were the convo. It is still not that deep.
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Guessing a McCollum take. That seems to be the other hot name this weekend after sitting with people yesterday.
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I wouldn’t go that far saying it will be Beard, but he is more of a candidate than others being thrown out there. We have not zeroed in on him, but they did more than a little background on him. Especially if it was just agent hype.