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  My money is on Tiger lasting longer than Kobe and Slick Rick combined.  

  Eh, I think he gets one more good year.  If there isn't improvement it will be a coin flip if he is back in 2015.  IMO

  Agreed.  If I had to rank teams right now in the B1G, I would probably have them at 2 ahead of OSU.  

I said before the season, and I will say it again, I think they were overrated due to McGary playing big in the tournament.  Robinson has a name, but was inconsistent at best last year.  McGary is solid, but not good enough to lead a team.  They do not scare me.  They may beat us, but they are not a top 10 team.  They miss Burke and Hardaway badly.  On top of that the time McGary missed due to his back was huge.  

  The Battle of Suck…  and I thought that name a place in only one genre.  

IU- 45 / PU-27

If you guys haven't seen JS for a while, he had a 24 hour ban to deal with after this prediction.  I am joking of course…  Or am I?   :rtfm:

He is just toying with Rios.  I am behind by two rounds, but it is his best performance in a few years.  

IU 95 - Evansville 72

Well, losing sucks. There is no way around that. I could hear Herm Edwards ringing through my head as I find myself not as mad as I should be. Noah Vonleh was 0-1 with 2 rebounds, 4 turnovers, and 4 fouls. We had a shot to win. Yogi Ferrell was our best player on the court in the money time and went 6-19 and we had a chance to win. How did we have a chance to win against a legit top 25 team on a night where our 2 best players were struggling this bad? Depth and defense. UConn did things you would expect a team to do of that caliber at times. However, we made them look human offensively. In the past, under Crean we lose this game by 20+. As a team it isn't pretty, but it isn't as bad as you would think for how we started. The good guys ended up with 17 turnovers. We ended up shooting 40.8% from the field as a team which is pretty decent considering the level of defense we were up against. From the line, IU was 15-22. Far fewer than previous games, but you would expect that. The true test for IU would be on the boards. On a night where Vonleh was non-existent we still ended up flush on the boards with 34 apiece which is astonishing. Props to Devin Davis for his 7 boards in the game. He had his issues down the stretch with 2 costly turnovers, but that is what you get with freshman. Individually, it was downright ugly. If you look across the list of every player, is there any player who you can say honestly had a good game? Tom Sheehey was decent with 12 points and 4 boards. Yogi was as inefficient as you will ever see. Evan Gordon went 3-3 for 6 points. Devin Davis got 7 and 7. Jeremy had 7, but was really hit and miss no more and no less than Yogi and Noah. Troy was especially quiet after a fantastic game on Thursday. If someone can look at the stats, and explain to me how we had a shot to win, I would be grateful. I can't even comprehend how this was a 1 point game. What to take away from this game? Well, I think this game will be the game where these kids at some point in their career point back to as a point where they realize they can be pretty good. Shooting can be improved by work during the summer. You can't teach that heart, defense, and athleticism that carried us in that game. No way should we have been in that game. Crean hates losing more than anyone of us, but he will put that tape in and show them how they stayed in that game. A loss sucks. No way around that. We will lose games this year, but we learned a lot about the heart this team will carry all year and beyond. There will be bumps along the road, but win or lose this team is exciting and easy to cheer on.

Well, losing sucks.  There is no way around that.  I could hear Herm Edwards ringing through my head as I find myself not as mad as I should be.  Noah Vonleh was 0-1 with 2 rebounds, 4 turnovers, and 4 fouls.  We had a shot to win.  Yogi Ferrell was our best player on the court in the money time and went 6-19 and we had a chance to win.  How did we have a chance to win against a legit top 25 team on a night where our 2 best players were struggling this bad?  Depth and defense.  UConn did things you would expect a team to do of that caliber at times.  However, we made them look human offensively.  In the past, under Crean we lose this game by 20+.    As a team it isn't pretty, but it isn't as bad as you would think for how we started.  The good guys ended up with 17 turnovers.  We ended up shooting 40.8% from the field as a team which is pretty decent considering the level of defense we were up against.  From the line, IU was 15-22.  Far fewer than previous games, but you would expect that.  The true test for IU would be on the boards.  On a night where Vonleh was non-existent we still ended up flush on the boards with 34 apiece which is astonishing.  Props to Devin Davis for his 7 boards in the game.  He had his issues down the stretch with 2 costly turnovers, but that is what you get with freshman.     Individually, it was downright ugly.  If you look across the list of every player, is there any player who you can say honestly had a good game?  Tom Sheehey was decent with 12 points and 4 boards.  Yogi was as inefficient as you will ever see.  Evan Gordon went 3-3 for 6 points.  Devin Davis got 7 and 7.  Jeremy had 7, but was really hit and miss no more and no less than Yogi and Noah.  Troy was especially quiet after a fantastic game on Thursday.  If someone can look at the stats,  http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=400518815 and explain to me how we had a shot to win, I would be grateful.  I can't even comprehend how this was a 1 point game.     What to take away from this game?  Well, I think this game will be the game where these kids at some point in their career point back to as a point where they realize they can be pretty good.  Shooting can be improved by work during the summer.  You can't teach that heart, defense, and athleticism that carried us in that game.  No way should we have been in that game.  Crean hates losing more than anyone of us, but he will put that tape in and show them how they stayed in that game.  A loss sucks.  No way around that.  We will lose games this year, but we learned a lot about the heart this team will carry all year and beyond.  There will be bumps along the road, but win or lose this team is exciting and easy to cheer on.   [url=https://btownbanners.com/page/articles.html/_/basketball/rapid-reactions/rapid-reaction-iu-vs-uconn-r107]This post has been promoted to an article[/url]

Until the day Noah Vonleh declares for the NBA draft, he will be compared to Cody Zeller.  Not only play on the court, but his meaning to our program's future.  Cody of course meant the world to our program for 2 years and beyond.  He has been a program changer from the day he committed.  It was interesting taking a look at his game logs as a freshman.  It felt like taking a time machine to a time that was glorious when we were living it.   I came across his first "bad" game and remember it like it was yesterday.  I am going to take some of you on that trip with me.  MSU, on the road.  Nix was the behemoth that held Zeller in check.  He beat Zeller up that day.  To that point he had been for the most part the talk of college basketball.  Zeller ended that game with as many questions as points in 4.  People wondered how he would respond, and whether he could play on the block in the B1G.  As you all know, he followed up that "bad" game with 14 big points against OSU at home in a win.  Then, followed that up with 18 points in a win against UM.     Noah Vonleh to this point has been an absolute beast.  He did things in his first 5 games Zeller never came close to or any other Hoosier in our lifetime.  Then, in his 6th game he again did something Zeller never came close to.  Unfortunately for us, it was bad, on an epic scale for a top player.  For all of their comparisons and similarities they are very different players.  Zeller was noted for his temperament and composure.  Many had tried his Freshman year to take him out of his game, yet they couldn't.  Noah Vonleh was as far out of a game as one player could be.  Let alone a star player.     The upcoming days, weeks, and months will tell the story of Noah Vonleh.  Much like the games after MSU told the story of Cody Zeller.  Vonleh is a special player.  It isn't hard to recognize that talent.  One thing is certain after UConn is they completely nullified him.  Tom Crean will need to work with him mentally to ensure his star player isn't taken out of the game mentally by the opponent.  This is one area having a player of the mold of a Zeller for Crean will no doubt continue to benefit his program.  

  Actually, Cody hasn't received his degree yet.  About 30 credits short.  Very close, and will be able to accomplish that feat with work over the summer or two.  It was very helpful he was able to apply credits in High School to IU.  Noah at best will be around the same length as Cody.  Still hoping for the 2nd year.  With this stacked upcoming draft our odds are better than on a normal year.  I wouldn't expect a 3rd year.  

  Yeah, it is true.  They stewed on it and came to the decision.  Remy's mom tried talking the staff out of it with no luck.  Crean didn't drag Remy through the mud on this one.  It was a bad mistake, but after everything this program went through we have to be somewhat superficial.  Completely agree with you.  

We went into MSG, and dominated unlike many thought we could. That score showed an 18 point victory, but it felt much bigger. Indiana was in complete control throughout. The kids were on display for the world to see. Troy had the game of his young college life at MSG. The kids dictated the pace, controlled the boards, and hit their FTs. End result is we all go to bed happy Hoosiers. Jeremy did not have a good game, but as good of a game as Noah Vonleh had, his double-double streak ended one rebound shy. Our current version of the Hurryin Hoosiers out-rebounded the Huskies 47-27. You read that correctly. That was as dominant as we will be all year on the glass. With 8 minutes to go, Noah heard the collective voice of Hoosier fans urging for that last rebound. It wasn't meant to be tonight. As a team we were all over the glass. Also encouraging was how we performed at the line. As a team we went 31-36. If we can stay in that 75% range with how much we get to the line, we will be very tough to beat. One wrinkle of Tom Crean's offense we hadn't seen as much is the backcuts. They were there all game and we took advantage of a defense who over-rotated all night. How about those kids, huh? Troy Williams was a beast tonight with 22 points and 6 boards. Yogi chipped in his normal 20 points, but had 7 assists in this one. Noah added 18 points and 9 lonely boards. Will was solid with 16 points / 4 boards / 3 assists. On the flip side, Jeremy was exceptionally bad in the first half. He had half of the team's turnovers in the half. It was a night to forget as well for Hanner. Stan and Devin offered solid minutes off the bench. Luke and Evan were fairly solid as well. Back to Jeremy and Hanner though. Yes they had rough games. That doesn't mean they can't play. We are a young team, and hopefully everyone understands the importance of depth. When a kid has a bad game, it doesn't mean they should get kicked off the team or benched. We will very possibly need that kid to carry us in some way the next game. Lets just hope these kids have shorter memory than some of us. Great game in a tough environment for a young group of kids. It could have been intimidating, but these kids came out hot, and never really let up. They had an intensity that was easy to get behind. As with most games we will witness this year, there were good things, as well as bad. They are very young. They are also very good. We get a real quality measuring stick up next. Hoo's up for UConn? Photo Credit: IndyStar.com

We went into MSG, and dominated unlike many thought we could.  That score showed an 18 point victory, but it felt much bigger.  IU was in complete control throughout.  The kids were on display for the world to see.  Troy had the game of his young college life at MSG.  The kids dictated the pace, controlled the boards, and hit their FTs.  End result is we all go to bed happy Hoosiers.  Jeremy did not have a good game, but as good of a game as Noah Vonleh had, his double-double streak ended one rebound shy.     Our current version of the Hurryin Hoosiers out-rebounded the Huskies 47-27.  You read that correctly.  That was as dominant as we will be all year on the glass.  With 8 minutes to go, Noah heard the collective voice of Hoosier fans urging for that last rebound.  It wasn't meant to be tonight. As a team we were all over the glass.  Also encouraging was how we performed at the line.  As a team we went 31-36.  If we can stay in that 75% range with how much we get to the line, we will be very tough to beat.  One wrinkle of Tom Crean's offense we hadn't seen as much is the backcuts.  They were there all game and we took advantage of a defense who over-rotated all night.     How about those kids, huh?  Troy Williams was a beast tonight with 22 points and 6 boards.  Yogi chipped in his normal 20 points, but had 7 assists in this one.  Noah added 18 points and 9 lonely boards.  Will was solid with 16 points / 4 boards / 3 assists.  On the flip side, Jeremy was exceptionally bad in the first half.  He had half of the team's turnovers in the half.  It was a night to forget as well for Hanner.  Stan and Devin offered solid minutes off the bench.  Luke and Evan were fairly solid as well.  Back to Jeremy and Hanner though.  Yes they had rough games.  That doesn't mean they can't play.  We are a young team, and hopefully everyone understands the importance of depth.  When a kid has a bad game, it doesn't mean they should get kicked off the team or benched. We will very possibly need that kid to carry us in some way the next game.  Lets just hope these kids have shorter memory than some of us.     Great game in a tough environment for a young group of kids.  It could have been intimidating, but these kids came out hot, and never really let up.  They had an intensity that was easy to get behind.  As with most games we will witness this year, there were good things, as well as bad.  They are very young.  They are also very good.  We get a real quality measuring stick up next.  Hoo's up for UConn? [url=https://btownbanners.com/page/articles.html/_/basketball/rapid-reactions/rapid-reaction-iu-vs-washington-r104]This post has been promoted to an article[/url]

  I think Cody was perfect for the team he was on, and Noah is equally perfect for the team we have if that makes sense.  

  I honestly never thought of that.  I can definitely see how and why some would feel Crean took any chance of rhythm away from Noah.  

  Yes, and it was at East Lansing.  Cody played much better later in that year, and the following year.  Not too many players have the record against Izzo that Cody had.  That game was the turning point in his individual season.  He seemed to take it to another level after that game.  I hope Noah Vonleh does the same for us this year.  That was my reasoning for the comparison.  

  I am learning more every day.  

N.D. Kendrick ‏@NDkendrick32m Friend text me complaining about the IU loss. Why be upset? Lost by 1 and literally got nothing from Vonleh. The MSG experience trumps loss.

  Why not Marlin?  You got something against him now?  

Not going to argue that one.  How we lost by one is beyond me.  Napier had one hell of a game and we lose by one.  

  Hey man, you weren't lying.  

  Well, according to the announcers he never showed up.