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  I think he has some serious in game faults.  I know after beating Wisconsin nobody had more top 25 wins than us over the last 3 seasons other than Kansas.  I am not sure where things stand on that now, but the dude gets them ready to play.  I am not saying it is always pretty.  It is not.  I am often disappointed and confused on the offensive side.  Its funny because we were a top offensive team last year.  People still hated it.  At this point, I think people either like him, or they don't.  As a mod, I have seen this conversation a bunch.  It is one of the most tiring arguments and always ends the same way.  I just don't want to see people get banned over something so stupid that literally has been beaten to death, revived, and beaten to death again.  

  The only thing I was saying is we are not a good road team.  This team gets rattle easily.  They are young.  Young kids have short memory when things are going well.  I would like to see us on the road now.  

^^^^^ What this guy said.  People have an opinion of Crean based on other things besides his coaching.  In this thread, I have seen him called a snake, and a used car salesman.  That has nothing to do with coaching, which is what those same people pointed to as the reason he shouldn't be here.  I am guessing coaching isn't really what they dislike about the man. 

Guess we will see this year how much beating better teams is worth to the tournament committee or having a tougher schedule you don't win the games.  If we get to 19 wins, I would hope we are in because of the teams we have beat.  Unfortunately, beating Nebraska will be a double edge sword.  We beat them, and we lessen them.  It doesn't do what it should to our RPI.  We don't hold an edge on them since we split at home.  So, we gain very little.  That said, we have a lot to lose if we lose that game.  UM on the road does not look good for us.  We have not been a good road team.  That will probably hold weight in our chances.  I am just not a fan of saying our schedule sucked so we should be out.  Those other teams did have better schedules, but didn't win any of those games.  We beat better teams, and lost to worse teams than them.  Depends on how much stock is put into better wins. 

Back off of the ledge everyone or this is getting locked.  No need for the pot shots on either sides.  I laid out the ways to close this.  No need for the drama.  Stop making everything personal, even if it is toward Crean. 

I think it is the same it has been, but with 3 games in a week stuff like this happens.  I wasn't too surprised I guess.  If we make a deep run in the BTT he won't play all of the games I would assume.  I just hope he hasn't been dealing with something a little more for a while. 

You and me both my man.

  Right now I would think we would not get a first round bye.  Is it bad that I am more scared to play bad teams than good teams?  

  Eh, I wouldn't go that far.  Most people on the bubble are usually 60-75 in RPI.  It would be almost impossible to get a top 40 RPI with 19 wins.  If we don't win at UM, I think we have to win 2 games in BTT to feel safe, but I think we get in regardless with 19 wins.  Mainly due to who we have beat.  Our bad losses are worse than some of the bubble team's worst losses, but we have superior wins than anyone they would put us up against.  Very few teams remotely close to the bubble have 3 or 4 top 25 wins.  

The only time I hate this argument is when one side acts like you are not a true fan if you don't give your undivided devotion to Tom Crean.  As well as when the other side gives absolutes such as, "I guarantee you he will not win a title".  Really?  How can one guarantee anything?  Mike Davis was 40 minutes from winning one.  If people would just remember that everyone here is an IU fan.  Just because they don't hold the same opinion does not make them less of an IU fan.  Some have higher expectations, and some feel continuity is the only way to get to those expectations.  Just don't question anyone's loyalty when debating this, as well as follow the rules and the mods are cool.  

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Charlie, you have been doing well.  Smh.  

What more can Hanner do there?  Tough call?  He stood there for a full 3 steps waiting on the guy.  

I will honestly say, I haven't been as wrong on a game this year in the predictions than this one.  Couldn't be happier!

Prevent offense coming to a home near you.  

Man, this crowd is dead.  Just look at the background of the Free Throws.  That is pathetic.  

Really would prefer Austin in instead of Evan right now.  Both doing their thing today.  Its just size and competitiveness right now.  

Holy Shit!  What a play!  Not a good pass, but great recovery.  

He must really want this game.  Lol

WTF do we pass it to Jeff Howard?  Why?  He is not going to shoot it.  You are setting either yourself or him up for a turnover.  

I said early on I thought we had to hit 8 of 20 3s to win.  Sticking with that.  For the most part our 3s have been good looks.  

Man…  We had one lineup that really got this thing going in the 1st half.  Haven't seen it since.  Not sure why.  

This crowd is awful.  

I know we have 8 turnovers, but we only have like 2 in the last 10 minutes.  Great job of settling down.  Not easy to do without your best player.  

Boom baby!