IndyResident16

Really tough to follow a legend, especially when it's your dad. He was strong for awhile and then tailed off hard. They brought in Pat Kennedy and he recruited extremely well. Guys like Quenton Richardson, Bobby Simmons, etc were legit 5 stars, just couldn't win. Haven't made the tournament in 20 years. Really seems like a dead end job. They really need a Chicago guy who can sell not only the school, but the city. Northwestern and Loyola both being good these last 5 years doesn't really help.

They were a decent draw back in the day when they played on WGN almost every night. Just not much visibility for them now. Not a ton of resources. Doesn't help that they play off-campus on the opposite side of town.

Calipari played UCLA like a fiddle. So did Rick Barnes. And Jamie Dixon…

I think at this point I could talk myself into Shrewsberry over any of the other Tier B candidates if IU isn't serious about getting a program changer. I don't think Shrews has even begun to scratch the surface yet of his coaching potential, but he's always seemed like an NBA guy. Would need to hire a good defensive mind for the bench. I think shrews would bring over Markus Burton who I think is going to be a menace for 4 years and think Sisley and Mullins would commit within the week. Decent foundation to build on. Whether it be Schertz, May, or Shrews when the time comes, I think all could work here but none are the home run hire this program needs.

Right, all personal preference. Dusty has spent nearly the entirety of his coaching career in the south and the last decade in Florida. I don't get the sense he's tired of Florida.

Money talks for sure, but if he's purely motivated by money, he'd have made a move after last season fresh off a F4, no? I just get the sense May and his wife are perfectly content at the moment living in Boca Raton. That's dream living for a lot of people. There will come a day where he does eventually pull the trigger, but at the moment I don't think there's a huge rush.

Yep. Once all those kids are graduated and on their own I’d think he broaden his horizons. That is unless one job in particular opens earlier…

I just don’t think May is moving north unless it’s for the IU job. Wife really likes South Florida and they still have teenaged kids down there. Larranaga retiring within the next year or two. That’s who I’d keep an eye out on.

Correct. People who think that signing 1-2 five big time recruits and then adding 5-7 transfers every offseason is a winning formula are simply being contrarian for the sake of argument on the internet. Not at all how it works.

Don't think you have to worry about Dusty May leaving for another B10 job. I'd keep an eye out on Miami and Larranaga inevitable retirement.

Yes that was purely from a coaching perspective.

I put Dusty in the same Tier B candidates as guys like Schertz or Shrews. IU will always be able to fall back on a Tier B candidates and to be honest I'm not so sure Dusty even leads the pack of that bunch. I get strong Tom Crean vibes with Dusty. Think he's got an offensive system that could work here, just not sure about his ability to coach them up on the defensive end. FAU's defensive metrics are terrible this year and have fallen off a cliff. Pretty alarming considering he returns a veteran team that was nearly left intact from last season. He'd at least make IU basketball watchable again, not sure he'd ever sustain any kind of consistent success.

Yes. There's three consensus 5* in the B10 coming out of high school. MM, Ware, and Xavier Booker at MSU. My post was in response to somebody that said player development or roster construction wasn't necessary and assembling the most talent was the essence of winning by the way.

IU has three of the top 5 highest rated players in the B10, one of them being one of the top transfers in the portal. This has been the most miserable season in my 50+ years of IU fandom. It's less enjoyable than the early Crean years. If you can't construct a roster or develop the talent you do have, you don't have a chance. Throwing a bunch of highly rated players together like Woodson has done this year is going to result in a missed tournament.

Player development and roster construction is an absolute must at this level of basketball. This isn’t the NBA.

Dusty May checks many of the same boxes that several failed up and comers before him all did as well. I think his name is enticing to most because it’s not Mike Woodson and he has ties to the university. Hiring a coach of May’s caliber is a crapshoot every single time. I don’t doubt his belief in his own system or ability to recruit guys to his system as is this case with most up and comers. But does he have the stones (you know cajones) to succeed at this job? That’s what it all boils down too. That’s my fear anytime we hire somebody from a level or program that doesn’t have expectations. Few do and that’s why so few make it. I think Dusty May absolutely “could” succeed here, it’s just not a hire that excites me. He’ll get his 3-4 years and then it’s sink or swim. In most cases, you can tell the general direction of a program after 2.

Dolson should have been fired after Tom Allen’s $30mil raise. What did he think someone was going to come poach Woody? Will he ever learn?

When you say wholesale changes, what does that include? Staff overhaul? Personnel overhaul? What exactly. A complete overhaul to the support staff is needed, but who is actually executing the plan? Woodson? Dolson? Buckner or Whittman? I’ve seen nothing from Woodson that leads me to believe he’s capable of assessing and evaluating a staff at this level. I mean Fife was a forced hire who was run off within a year, Walsh and Hunter were already on staff under the previous regime, and Rosemond was a recommendation hire from his buddy Kenny Payne. I’m just not sure Woodson is capable of pulling off one competent assistant hire, let alone three. And even if he does, is he actually going to listen to them? It’s just one big mess that is going to get bigger, especially if know Woodson is on borrowed time as is.

I’d like to think an actual AD with prior experience could sell a vision better than these last two dopes.

I’d hire Woody to the same BS position Dolson gave Matta.

Yeah but our coaches have high morals in case you didn’t know.

And this should surprised nobody as to why IU has fallen as far as they have the last 20 years, they’re more concerned with protecting their image than actually winning games. It’s a sad reality for those of us who watched IU as a once great program, because winning was the point of emphasis first and foremost and all the other “noise” was pushed to the side. And nobody had a problem with it. Winning cures all. Always has always will.

Worked with Collier at Butler and Alvarez at Wisconsin.

Making an image hire has never turned out successful in the long run. And Texas doesn’t care about basketball especially now that their football team is rolling. And Beard’s been cleared of all charges so it’s a completely different process.

College athletics is a multi-billion dollar, results driven industry. Winning is 1000% the most important thing. Anyone saying otherwise is lying to themselves.