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[quote name="dalton26" post="43969" timestamp="1393803658"]You said this week which is why I said 2. That's not true in the least bit. By your logic if he was such a good coach like you say so we wouldn't have lost the games we did to the teams we did nor get killed by Purdue. I can use your logic too. :) Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app[/quote] Your right. My bad. I suck. He sucks. We all suck. Let's take the $40 million IU was going to use for renovations and see if we can buy Stevens out of his Celtics contract. Or Bruce Pearl 's show cause is up this summer. There's an idea. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

[quote name="dalton26" post="43956" timestamp="1393803006"]Not wanting to listen to you guys cry because not everyone loves Crean. 2 wins doesn't change the fact he needs to go. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app[/quote] (Smack the hornets nest again ) Try 4 against ranked teams. Yes there have been short comings but if he's as bad as everyone says there would be 0 wins against ranked teams. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

"Knock, knock" (crickets). Anybody here? (crickets) Sure has been quiet in here this week. Where are all the haters? (Crickets) Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

Ok folks , I've been. " blindly defending" Crean this week. I want to see how he handles THIS. He has thumped his chest about how he cleaned the program up. Got rid of the drug use and failing grades. Let's see what he does here. Could change my vote quick. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

[quote name="Rayl" post="38024" timestamp="1392318412"]Wait what? The sophomores were a top 10 recruiting class with three guys in the top 100. The freshmen were also a top 10 recruting class with four guys in the top 100. Everyone who follows recruting closely certainly though Crean was bring a lot of talent in. Were they all wrong? If so, how much of that is on Crean for misjudging the level of talent he was bringing in? I'm not exactly sure what you are saying. I think we have plenty of talent. Developing them, getting them ready to contribute at a high level right away, and figuring out how to use the talent to the best of its abilities seem like much bigger issues to me.[/quote] What coach in the country could develop Peter Jurkin? God love him he stinks. And as I posted earlier, Patterson can't get on the floor at Syracuse and their coach clearly out coached ours in the Sweet Sixteen. He can't develop Patterson and he has to be a better coach, right ? There is recruiting magazine ratings and there is real world ratings. IU has potential, just gonna take time to develop. Vic didn't light the world on fire as a freshman and he ended up ok. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

[quote name="JSHoosier" post="38015" timestamp="1392315995"]Did I say fire him? No. I have said, and still feel though that if he is going to take us where we should expect to be he has to improve as a coach. Improve a lot. Right now, he's a better spoken Mike Davis. He cannot be overlooked for culpability though just because the players turn it over and miss shots. His job is to put them in the best position to succeed, and we can't really say he's doing that IMO. This will also be 3 of the last 4 teams that have underachieved.[/quote] Understood. He is at fault some. I just can't say this team, or last years team underachieved. This years team isn't talented enough. A Bob Knight/Brad Stevens love child couldn't win with these guys. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

  Once again, Iu is not marquee anymore. IU will continue to lose players to the likes of Mich. St., Duke, UK and others for a while still. Unless we cheat and I HOPE no one wants that.   Players leave schools all the time. People transfer from Evansville for more playing time. Nothing to see here.

  Agree to disagree. For the record, I am not a complete Crean apologist, just don't think we can fire him now or blame him for every hiccup.   Harris wasn't coming to IU.   And call me stupid, but I value a OUTRIGHT B1G title almost as much as a national championship. NCAA titles are crapshoots. Its all matchups, injuries, turn around time and seedings. Things all out of a teams control. A league title is won over a period of months. You play teams that know you. You can't trick them. Gimmicks won't work against them. Much harder to accomplish in my opinion.   While we are on Davis, it kind of proves my point. He won a tied (not OUTRIGHT) with " Knight's players", or so I'm told by folk on this board. When he was the main recruiter of talent, nothing. Kind of proves my point of talent and coaching.

Interesting points. Here is the thing, Crean did recruit shooters. Gary Harris for one I can thing of. Didn't get him. Is that Crean's fault? Because a kid would rather play at a marque school like Michigan St. than IU? Kids today don't think of IU as an elite program. IU is their safety school now and we all have to get use to it.   His offense is no different than 90% of the offenses in college basketball. It relies on the talent of the individual because all the "5 Star" kids everyone has to get want their talents developed for the NBA. The NBA is an iso game for the most part. Kids don't want to play motion because it doesn't show off their "skills". This offense worked good enough last year to win IU's first outright title in the B1G in 20 years. Yes I keep bringing that up because it is something that is won over a period of months, not 3 weekends in March. It is the marathon, not the sprint which I find impressive.

I've read some interesting replys to my post and I have a couple of questions/replys: How do you teach not turning the ball over? What is the drill? As far as the inbounds plays, could it not be execution? Automatically the coaches fault that inbounds plays that probably worked with 2 NBA players last year won't work this year? How much patience should we have? I don't know. We waited 20 years for an out right B1G title, I can wait a few more. Sweet Sixteen loss to Syracuse? You do realize that the core of that team is one of only 2 undefeated teams left right? And a guy from The Movement can't sniff the floor.

I really hate to stir things up here, but what exactly did Crean do last night to deserve the let's fire Crean talk?? I just don't get it. Am I saying he's the man to take us to the promised land? No. I'm just saying you can't fire coaches left and right and BUILD a winning program which was a complete dumpster fire not more than 6 years ago.   Look at last night. You can complain about his x's and o's all you want. His sub patterns, whatever. This teams problem is TURNOVERS. Plain and simple. There were 18 last night and what, like, 4 in the final 2 minutes? How many did Crean have? 0. Our three best players, Yogi, Noah and Will accounted for 10 of those 18. So, what should Crean do? Give them a seat on the bench? Well, everybody crapped their pants when he put Marlin, Howard and the gang on the floor. He was booed. Now what? I'm sure he's not teaching to turn the ball over in practice so what should he do???   All IU fans need to realize this team isn't any good, yet. They could be in a year or too, but not this year. The immediate impact talent, other than Noah, is just not there. The Movement, outside of Yogi, was a flop. Our back up center transferred mid season. How many of these guys would start, or even get significant playing time on Mich. St, Michigan or Iowa? And as much as we like to point to 27 year old banners and puff our chests out, kids today do not see IU as elite, yet. How many of these superstar freshman of this class were we really in the mix for? You can not rebuild an image in 6 years that took 15 destroy.   Like I said, I am NOT suggesting that Crean is the next Knight or Wooden. What I am saying is that as of now I litterally think he is doing the best with what he has.

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[quote name="IUfan_Charlie" post="29211" timestamp="1389468808"]no no no no no, wrong, Howard is not a better defender than Noah. [/quote] Yes, yes, yes. I think it was the Syracuse game where his one on one post defense just isn't there yet. Howard more disciplined. Noah is great at floating around the lane and blocking shots but D-ing up isn't a strong point. Not knocking just a fact. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

[quote name="JSHoosier" post="28935" timestamp="1389461762"]Jeremy is far from the only player that's screwed up. Every starter has a 20+% turnover rate. There aren't many saying he needs to be fired, but he absolutely needs to do a better job.[/quote] Not to be smart but there is a whole thread about it. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

[quote name="JSHoosier" post="28912" timestamp="1389460853"]Players have to be held accountable though, and just talking about accountability like Crean does doesn't count.[/quote] Agreed. But I just hate when people want to fire ANY coach because his players do stupid stuff. It's not like Crean teaches those things. As far as accountability, Jeremy hasn't played yet Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

How many times has Crean no closed out on a three point shooter? Or just dribbled out of bounds? Or passed to no one at all? Coaches coach. Players play. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

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OK people, time for the Mighty Van Halen!!! (NOT Van Hagar)   http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=y2Qatc4K85A

[quote name="BlueDevil2aHoosier" post="27924" timestamp="1388889249"]Not a crean fan lost respect for him when he went off on Meyer last year Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners[/quote] You kidding man? That was the highlight of the year for me. IU was dirt and he was part of the reason it was. Then to go into his home gym and win the first out right B1G championship in his face was awesome. He then ( reportedly) smarts off in the handshake line and Coach tells him what every IU fan wanted to say to everyone involved in that mess. Immature, yup. Should Coach let it go? Absolutely. But it was still pretty cool to me. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners