TXHoosierDaddy

i'm not letting them wear me out. I think it's just unfair to be so critical right off the bat. You need to take a look at the product first and then the coach. Some people have it the other way around.

I think it's getting rather old regarding the underwhelmed folks saying told you so. I noticed this happens a lot during games that we are losing. It's freaking year 1. I'm sorry but it doesn't matter who is coaching this team. Coach K, Self, Izzo...doesn't matter. They would struggle. There are no shooters, no PG, one consistent scorer, no good bigs...it's a mess that Archie inherited. Let's compare Archie to Holtman, Will Wade and the other new hires in year 3 once these guys have a chance to bring in their guys. Until then, it's unfair.

This roster is disgusting. Just no basketball skills at all.

McSwain has missed like three layups at least already. Just sad.

This is really hard to watch. It sucks only having three guys worth a damn - Morgan, Johnson, McRoberts

Agreed. No one's fault it just didn't pan out. It's just painful to think about since the position has become such a black hole for us coupled with the fact that the freshman really aren't providing much except for Smith from time to time. Many expected at least one of Green, Cujo, Newkirk to take a leap this year and well that just hasn't happened.

Would have fit right in ranking wise with Crean's last two classes. Lots of 3 star guys. Green, Gelon, Durham, Moore. We are used to getting these with Crean why would he have been any different where people meltdown. No one thought he was going to start off this strong (given the ranking) except maybe Archie did since he actually nabbed him once.

Man I don't want to beat a dead horse but if you sub in Mckinnley Wright for Newkirk/Green this team probably has another 2-3 wins at least. Green/Newkirk just aren't bringing anything to table. The position is basically dead weight more games than not. Just a killer.

I'm surprised Moore didn't get a chance. It really makes me think CAM doesn't really have plans for him in the future. This is a game I just don't see how it would have hurt to at least try him. Haas was eating us alive regardless.

Or those teams are just really good and will be #1 seeds in the tourney.

Newkirk blows.

I agree. People's expectations are really out of whack when you think about the roster Archie has to manage. I will say though that part of that potential 9-9 record is the fact that the BIG is just really down this year outside of Purdue and Mich St.

Thought it would be fun to look at some statistics from the Tom Crean transfers that are still playing this year. Let me know if i missed anyone Emmit Holt - out for season with abdominal surgery Stanford Robinson - 28mpg - 10ppg - 6rpg - 2apg - 2.5spg - shooting 48% from the field. Devan Davis - 26mpg - 11ppg - 6rpg - 1.5apg - shooting 49% from the field Max Hoetzel (now goes by Max Montana) - 16mpg - 8ppg - 2.5rpg - his best game came yesterday in which he poured in 20 points against Colorado state. Peter Jurkin - 19mpg - 8ppg - 5rpg - shooting 59% from the field Curtis Jones - sitting out this year Grant Gelon - sitting out this year

Most of the responses were actually really positive from our fans. I was impressed.

Um that wasn't the only mistake by Green. He played awful throughout. Made some head scratching mistakes and took some really bad shots.

He had Morgan for a layup regardless and just made a head scratching pass that a 4th grader could have made.

Why the one handed wrister by Green. It's unreal how low this dudes IQ is.

Seriousy F Green. Don't let him come back on the plane. That was a pass at the ankles.

At least we have a shot here. I am sure they are going to foul so be ready to hoist a 3.

Wow Green almost went over and back. Dude is a headcase at the point.

Green is a mess.

This is ridiculous how the refs have totally taken over this game.

Newkirk....makes you want to bang your head against a wall.

It's impossible for Green and Newkirk to both have a good game. It's lucky if one of them has a good game.

FT's are killing us.